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  1. #1

    Default Aggressive with big draws

    What do you think of these? Standard? Villians in both hands had VP$IPs > 30.

    Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

    UTG ($124.50)
    UTG+1 ($63.91)
    UTG+2 ($49.85)
    MP1 ($164.80)
    Hero ($106.05)
    MP3 ($73.90)
    CO ($81.15)
    Button ($159.84)
    SB ($70.50)
    BB ($66.75)

    Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A, K. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
    3 folds, MP1 raises to $3, Hero calls $3, MP3 calls $3, 2 folds, SB (poster) calls $2.50, BB calls $2.

    Flop: ($15) 9, J, 6 (5 players)
    SB checks, BB checks, MP1 checks, Hero checks, MP3 bets $15, SB folds, BB folds, MP1 folds, Hero calls $103.05 (All-In), MP3 calls $55.90 (All-In).

    Turn: ($188.95) 7 (2 players, 2 all-in)

    River: ($188.95) Q (2 players, 2 all-in)

    Final Pot: $188.95

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    Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

    MP3 ($68.70)
    CO ($43.35)
    Button ($154.80)
    Hero ($99.35)
    BB ($162.68)
    UTG ($98.35)
    UTG+1 ($120.31)
    MP1 ($47.25)
    MP2 ($87.15)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with 8, A. Hero posts a blind of $0.50.
    2 folds, MP1 raises to $2, 4 folds, Hero (poster) calls $1.50, BB calls $1.

    Flop: ($6) 7, 9, T (3 players)
    Hero bets $5, BB calls $5, MP1 raises to $18, Hero calls $92.35 (All-In), BB folds, MP1 calls $27.25 (All-In).

    Turn: ($153.60) K (2 players, 2 all-in)

    River: ($153.60) 8 (2 players, 2 all-in)

    Final Pot: $153.60
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    2nd one is OK. First one, why not raise PF? Why push that flop? What makes you so sure your A or K if it hits will be good? I like a check/raise, but not a c/r all in.
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  3. #3
    Quote Originally Posted by freechus9
    First one, why not raise PF?
    The PF raiser was a very tight raiser. I tend not to reraise them PF. Maybe it would've been good here for isolation.

    Quote Originally Posted by freechus9
    Why push that flop? What makes you so sure your A or K if it hits will be good?
    The guy that bet the flop was not the guy that raised PF. If he has AJ I'm only behind like 54/46. I'm ahead of non-dominating one pairs. A set is also possible I guess, but I don't know whether he'd overbet the pot with one. I figured when you throw in a bit of FE, this becomes +EV.

    Quote Originally Posted by freechus9
    I like a check/raise, but not a c/r all in.
    Effective stacks postflop are $70. He bet $15. It seemed to me that a smaller c/r would be silly.
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    I don't like the first one. I like your logic preflop but post flop that's too much. Maybe if you had a pair with the flush draw... The second I like. For all the same reasons Freechus9 already stated. Love playing the aggressive draws though.


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  6. #6
    Quote Originally Posted by Rockymv
    The guy that bet the flop was not the guy that raised PF. If he has AJ I'm only behind like 54/46. I'm ahead of non-dominating one pairs. A set is also possible I guess, but I don't know whether he'd overbet the pot with one. I figured when you throw in a bit of FE, this becomes +EV.
    A guy with over 30 vpip potted a flop with 5 people involved.. he isn't folding.

    I don't think it is played that bad, however. Any other reads on him? Is he ususally passive or aggressive? Just saying >30 vpip isn't giving too much info besides they see too many flops. Some fish know to bet their hands.
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    His postflop aggression factor was 2.6, which is very high for someone as loose as he is.

    In any case, my thinking is probably skewed by the results of this hand. Turns out he had 33.
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