Call this all day, right?

[Warpe]

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

saw flop|saw showdown

UTG ($80.70)
MP ($99)
CO ($104.30)
Button ($87.48)
SB ($107.05)
Hero ($121.53)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9, 7. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
1 fold, MP raises to $3, 3 folds, Hero calls $2.

Flop: ($6.50) A, 6, 3 (2 players)
Hero bets $4, MP calls $4.

Turn: ($14.50) 5 (2 players)
Hero bets $8, MP raises to $21, Hero ???

[cardsman1992]

You likely have 12 outs, all of which may not be clean (if he spiked a set and the board pairs). The way I figure, you have to call 29.9% of the pot on a draw that comes in 24% of the time, with some of those outs tainted. Looks like a fold, but if you hit the right club or a 4 you have his stack....

Meh....

[zook]

He's giving you over 3:1 and you're only 2.8:1 against to hit your draw. Easy call. I'm not putting him on a set here, I definitely think it's top pair.

[cardsman1992]

Zook,

Are you figuring on one card to come or two?

How many outs are you giving him?

I think AA is definitely a possibility here. Looks like a typical set line here.

[givememyleg]

I think I prefer checking in this spot... bad?

[drtofu66]

The turn gave us a double belly-buster SD in addition to the FD. 15 total outs for the straight or flush (13 clean outs if you discount the 2 tainted clubs, so we're 2.5:1 to hit our hand). A $30.50 pot up for grabs for $13 more = 2.34:1.

Pot odds are almost there but implied odds make this a call.

My question if we hit our hand (without the board pairing)--
What's the best bet to extract value? Pot will be $56.50 on the river, villain has $71 left behind and we act first. Do you put the villain AI and hope he likes his set of aces enough to call or just pot it and hope he feels committed enough to push the rest of his stack in for us? (I don't play NL100).

What did you do, Warpe?

[Fnord]

Yeah, turn is a pretty standard check.

[cardsman1992]

missed the other 3 outs......

I need more coffee, and it's 1:15 PM!!

That changes to a clear call....

[Warpe]

You likely have 12 outs

I have the flush draw and a double gutshot - 4 or an 8.

Edit:...you guys are too fast for me

[cardsman1992]

Yup, missed the double str8 draw....

I don't think they are all clean, though. I am convinced it's a set.

[zook]

We have to call $13 into a pot of $43.50 (not sure where you got $30.50 drtofu?) so we're getting 3.3:1 pot odds. I missed the double gutshot straight draw too (although it's only 10:30 here and I need another cup of coffee) so we're only 2.1:1 against hitting our draw. I guess the 6c & 5c are tainted, but I'll have a hard time giving him credit for AA here. If I were villain I would have raised the flop with AA.

Good question about the river play if the draw hits drtofu... I probably bet $30 if the flush hits and hope AK calls and AA pushes. If the straight hits I bet more because it's well concealed and he might think I'm bluffing.

[Warpe]

Yeah, turn is a pretty standard check.

*nods*

I tend to try to keep control of the betting once I open. Builds the pot if I hit but costs me if I miss, obv.

[Warpe]

What's the best bet to extract value? Pot will be $56.50 on the river, villain has $71 left behind and we act first. Do you put the villain AI and hope he likes his set of aces enough to call or just pot it and hope he feels committed enough to push the rest of his stack in for us? (I don't play NL100).

What did you do, Warpe?

Called...

Turn: ($14.50) 5 (2 players)
Hero bets $8, MP raises to $21, Hero calls $13.

...hit one of my outs...

River: ($56.50) 8 (2 players)

...then I thought I'd show a little weakness...

Hero bets $25, MP calls $71 (All-In), Hero calls $46.

Final Pot: $198.50

Results in white below:
Hero has 9c 7c (straight, nine high).
MP has Ah 4h (one pair, aces).
Outcome: Hero wins $198.50.

[drtofu66]

We have to call $13 into a pot of $43.50 (not sure where you got $30.50 drtofu?)

Whoops, forgot to factor in the villain's raise. Silly me.

[drtofu66]

Called...

Turn: ($14.50) 5 (2 players)
Hero bets $8, MP raises to $21, Hero calls $13.

...hit one of my outs...

River: ($56.50) 8 (2 players)

...then I thought I'd show a little weakness...

Hero bets $25, MP calls $71 (All-In), Hero calls $46.

Final Pot: $198.50

Results in white below:
Hero has 9c 7c (straight, nine high).
MP has Ah 4h (one pair, aces).
Outcome: Hero wins $198.50.

Nice.

If you hit your flush do you push or pot it? Seems like giving the villain a $25 bet to just call lets him off too cheaply. But overbetting probably doesn't get paid off. 3/4 pot if a non-board pairing club comes?

[Warpe]

Nice.

If you hit your flush do you push or pot it? Seems like giving the villain a $25 bet to just call lets him off too cheaply. But overbetting probably doesn't get paid off. 3/4 pot if a non-board pairing club comes?

Yeah, I figured if I potted it I wasn't getting called, as I didn't put him on a set (correctly, it turned out). I assumed TP, possibly 2 pair, and looked at my river bet as a value bet that was callable.

If the flush hits...good question. This is where I think betting the turn works to my advantage. As Fnord said, checking the turn would be fairly standard. So if I check/call turn, lead out big on a club river, am I getting called?

[Miffed22001]

make the turn call if he isnt the type to fold the river if he likes his hand.