Two Turn decisions

[flair1236]

Villian in this hand is 24/0/1. Seemed on the tight side but not many hands on him. He had not played any big pots as of yet.

Hand #33598263-11796 at Leawood (No Limit Hold'em)
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Started at 25/Jul/06 21:15:57

crazyc803 is at seat 1 with $87.10.
flair1236 is at seat 2 with $59.65.
BaconBaron is at seat 3 with $28.80.
Rooks4U is at seat 4 with $52.80.
willis09r is at seat 5 with $51.55.
The button is at seat 5.

flair1236 posts the small blind of $.25.
BaconBaron posts the big blind of $.50.

flair1236: 4d 4s
BaconBaron: -- --
Rooks4U: -- --
willis09r: -- --

Pre-flop:

Rooks4U calls. willis09r folds. flair1236 calls.
BaconBaron checks.

Flop (board: 4h Qh 2d): ($1.50)

flair1236 checks. BaconBaron checks. Rooks4U bets
$1.50. flair1236 raises to $9. BaconBaron folds.
Rooks4U calls.

Turn (board: 4h Qh 2d 7h): ($20)

flair1236 bets $7.50. Rooks4U goes all-in for $43.30.....




This guy was 90/22/2.5 over 90 hands. WTSD 29/ W$SD51. Had done a lot of poppinf on the flop. Would fold to reraises. This is the first big turn move I had seen from him.

paulpaulbear is at seat 0 with $52.90.
husk1296 is at seat 1 with $24.75.
flair1236 is at seat 2 with $48.60.
The Ham is at seat 3 with $65.75.
-Not P- is at seat 4 with $170.80.
primerib is at seat 5 with $8.35 (sitting out).
The button is at seat 4.

paulpaulbear posts the small blind of $.25.
husk1296 posts the big blind of $.50.

paulpaulbear: -- --
husk1296: -- --
flair1236: Td Jd
The Ham: -- --
-Not P-: -- --

Pre-flop:

flair1236 calls. The Ham calls. -Not P- calls.
paulpaulbear folds. husk1296 checks.

Flop (board: 2d Kd 6d): ($2.25)

husk1296 checks. flair1236 bets $2.25. The Ham
calls. -Not P- folds. husk1296 calls.

Turn (board: 2d Kd 6d 5c): (8.5)

husk1296 checks. flair1236 bets $8.50. The Ham
raises to $34.50. husk1296 folds. .......--

[andy-akb]

I know you said turn decisions, but I disagreed with a couple other things done in the hands.

Your checkraise on the flop in the first hand was huge, why such a big raise? On a draw heavy board like this I am most likely leading, especially since it is a multiway pot. You never mentioned how many hands these stats were over, probably not many, but he certainly isnt a maniac. Would he call such a huge c/r on the flop with a FD? Probably not. The turn brings the flush, but again, if your reads are accurate, we shouldnt be too worried about that. Your bet is incredibly weak though, Id make it 15 and call a push. As played I call.


This second hand doesnt really have much to talk about I dont think, this is an easy call. Preflop I would probably raise, I really dont like openlimping all that often in 6max.

[Sound & Fury]

I read hand 1: a call of $36 gives you a chance to win $71, so you're basically getting 2:1 on your money. So the key question is, do you win at least 1 out of 3 times with this call? To figure that out, what logical hands can he hold that you beat, and that beat you?

-You beat: badly played 2 pair, 22. I'd throw out KK and AA because of the lack of a flop raise. And you beat a stupid bluff (it happens). But the most realistic scenario that you can beat is if dude has AQ with the Ace of hearts.

You're beat by: The obvious made flush. Throw QQ out because of no preflop raise.

What % of time does he have the hands that you beat? It needs to be greater than 33%, but I don't think it is - would 2 pair or pocket 2's really just ignore the obvious flush and push? Not usually. I'd think you roughly encounter a made flush 65-70% of the time here, and the nut flush draw 20% of the time, which you can call another 4% chance of loss since he'll catch it sometimes, so you're a 69-74% underdog, and aren't getting the right odds to call, so I like the fold. It's close though - calling isn't terrible.

[r8ed]

Hand 1: I'm not sure why a flush would push way over the top. A set may do so, but I think they would reraise the flop unless they hit their set on the turn. I call this and reload if necessary. Even if they have the flush you have some outs. If you are overset pay them off.

Hand 2: You have to figure out how to get his stack. You mention he does this stuff and then folds to reraises so pushing the turn may not work (against any other opp. this is a good play). You can call and then check the river to induce a bluff - which seems like he may do a large percentage of the time. Or you can call and then push the river. All three options are fine.

[Sound & Fury]

Hand 1: I'm not sure why a flush would push way over the top. A set may do so, but I think they would reraise the flop unless they hit their set on the turn. I call this and reload if necessary. Even if they have the flush you have some outs. If you are overset pay them off.

If villian has a non-nut flush, he could be worried about a 4th heart on the river giving hero a higher flush, and therefore is trying to get all the money in now. Since hero check/raised so huge on the flop and led the turn, villian could figure the all in is likely to get called. ...but why would he push the set here when the flush hit? It's possible, but I know the third heart would slow me way down if I had a set.

Anyway I was thinking that the $7 bet on the turn actually looks pretty weak after a $9 check/raise on the flop. It's not even half the pot, and Hero made it fairly obvious that he's not trying to prevent scaring villian away by raising that much on the flop. So the only reason for a $7 dollar bet is that hero likes his hand, but not as much as before - must now be scared of something bigger....the flush. If villian picked up on this, he could just be representing the flush knowing that hero is scared of it. And because of this, a call from hero looks better than I thought before.