A couple of turn spews

[Vrax]

How often you pull such a play? Opponents are solid winning regulars (aka tightasses). Good way to get action on sets? Is it a way to "run over them"?


#1:
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Hand #386904502 at table: Table TH Mini
Started: Sat Aug 05 02:54:25 2006

J_Meincke is at seat 1 with 33.26
bay_rat is at seat 2 with 6.35
cihy76 is at seat 3 with 26.66
ecydm007@h is at seat 4 with 24.10
_Vrax_ is at seat 5 with 61.66
Zinister is at seat 6 with 6.38
Blindman48 is at seat 7 with 21.30
MikeMajk is at seat 8 with 43.27
HumanRake is at seat 9 with 6.23
_tombstone is at seat 10 with 24.26

bay_rat posts the large blind 0.25
J_Meincke posts the small blind 0.12

J_Meincke: --, --
bay_rat: --, --
cihy76: --, --
ecydm007@h: --, --
_Vrax_: , :Tc:
Zinister: --, --
Blindman48: --, --
MikeMajk: --, --
HumanRake: --, --
_tombstone: --, --

Pre-flop:

cihy76: Fold
ecydm007@h: Fold
_Vrax_: Call 0.25
Zinister: Fold
Blindman48: Fold
MikeMajk: Fold
HumanRake: Fold
_tombstone: Raise 1.00
J_Meincke: Fold
bay_rat: Fold
_Vrax_: Call 1.00

Flop (Board: :Td:, , :Qc:

_Vrax_: Check
_tombstone: Bet 1.75
_Vrax_: Call 1.75

Turn (Board: :Td:, , :Qc:, ):

_Vrax_: Check
_tombstone: Bet 4.50
_Vrax_: Raise 12.00


#2:
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Hand #386877797 at table: Table TH Mini
Started: Sat Aug 05 01:57:32 2006

J_Meincke is at seat 1 with 27.75
bay_rat is at seat 2 with 19.48
cihy76 is at seat 3 with 13.36
pepego2 is at seat 4 with 36.77
_Vrax_ is at seat 5 with 24.17
MoonCrawlr is at seat 6 with 33.13
bg_phitau is at seat 7 with 3.58
MikeMajk is at seat 8 with 24.42
runrun is at seat 9 with 45.00
ALLIN!!!!! is at seat 10 with 11.19

MikeMajk posts the large blind 0.25
bg_phitau posts the small blind 0.12

bg_phitau: --, --
MikeMajk: --, --
runrun: --, --
ALLIN!!!!!: --, --
J_Meincke: --, --
bay_rat: --, --
cihy76: --, --
pepego2: --, --
_Vrax_: ,
MoonCrawlr: --, --

Pre-flop:

runrun: Fold
ALLIN!!!!!: Call 0.25
J_Meincke: Fold
bay_rat: Call 0.25
cihy76: Fold
pepego2: Call 0.25
_Vrax_: Call 0.25
MoonCrawlr: Fold
bg_phitau: Call 0.25
MikeMajk: Check

Flop (Board: , , ):

bg_phitau: Check
MikeMajk: Check
ALLIN!!!!!: Check
bay_rat: Bet 2.00
pepego2: Fold
_Vrax_: Call 2.00
bg_phitau: Fold
MikeMajk: Fold
ALLIN!!!!!: Call 2.00

Turn (Board: , , , ):

ALLIN!!!!!: Check
bay_rat: Bet 2.00
_Vrax_: Raise 9.00

[benny999]

is the plan to push the river if called on the turn? Then even if you miss and get called on the river, you could show that and maybe hit a two pair+ soon...or maybe they won't pay enough attention.

[Vrax]

is the plan to push the river if called on the turn?

$10 behind, pot on river around $28...not really. Check/check and hope he's on AK or give him "nh+ nc" props for good decision under pressure. With around PSB behind however I'd push.

I got burned many times with bad barrel sizing and lot of times there was not enough money behind to make scary enough river bet.

[benny999]

Actually, now that I'm more awake and looked at it again, in #1 villain potted the turn, and your check raise leaves him with calling $7.5 for $28. Maybe you'd be better off just check/pushing the turn unless you give enough credit to him laying down TPTK/overpairs for the smaller price. Maybe you could just have min raised the turn if this is the case? I think this is good with the kind of read that they are able to lay down top pair. At the least use it as an image builder. I don't do this much at all, though, because at these levels people generally don't lay down TPTK enough. Hopefully some others reply.

[Vrax]

again, in #1 villain potted the turn, and your check raise leaves him with calling $7.5 for $28.

...and implied $10 on river if he gets my message "you're going to play it for stacks buddy". Apparently he didn't and called but I gave g00t sucky sucky anyway. I misread him, it is probably still too big play against "solid" regulars. Fact that I was folding machine in last several orbits didn't help me. He liked his KK too much. Fortunately I had assload of outs.

Maybe you'd be better off just check/pushing the turn unless you give enough credit to him laying down TPTK/overpairs for the smaller price. Maybe you could just have min raised the turn if this is the case?

Good option, minraise leaves enough money behind to river bluff and some players are scared when facing turn minraise.

I think this is good with the kind of read that they are able to lay down top pair. At the least use it as an image builder.

It works wonders for image

Hand #2: he mucked.

Thanks for feedback Benny!