Your line on this?

[Margin Of Error]

Full Tilt Poker Game #884798278: Table Los Prados - $0.05/$0.10 - No Limit Hold'em - 1:25:44 ET - 2006/08/11
Seat 1: Vofff ($10.15)
Seat 2: near_0_tilt ($5.35)
Seat 3: bunkinc ($9.70)
Seat 4: PokerPromoter ($17.65)
Seat 5: Lady_J_123 ($4.75)
Seat 6: nickerz_24 ($5.70)
Seat 7: POkerlungs ($16.55)
Seat 8: thorsenm ($10.65)
Seat 9: Margin Of Error ($36.50)
POkerlungs posts the small blind of $0.05
thorsenm posts the big blind of $0.10
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Margin Of Error [5c 4c]
Vofff folds
near_0_tilt calls $0.10
bunkinc raises to $0.40
PokerPromoter calls $0.40
Lady_J_123 folds
nickerz_24 calls $0.40
POkerlungs folds
thorsenm folds
Margin Of Error calls $0.30
near_0_tilt folds
*** FLOP *** [7h 4d 5d]
Margin Of Error bets $1
bunkinc has 15 seconds left to act
bunkinc raises to $5
PokerPromoter has 15 seconds left to act
PokerPromoter raises to $9
nickerz_24 folds
Margin Of Error folds
bunkinc has 15 seconds left to act
bunkinc calls $4

[Margin Of Error]

Full Tilt Poker Game #884860589: Table Gary - $0.05/$0.10 - No Limit Hold'em - 1:45:48 ET - 2006/08/11
Seat 1: POkerlungs ($9.90)
Seat 2: Jayship ($36.55)
Seat 3: Margin Of Error ($18)
Seat 4: joboo002 ($20.25)
Seat 5: Buck_oh ($6.05)
Seat 6: Ohiodonkey ($0), is sitting out
Seat 7: natureboy2 ($19.15)
Seat 8: TilTinTime ($5.20)
Seat 9: jessedog94 ($12.80)
natureboy2 posts the big blind of $0.10
The button is in seat #5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Margin Of Error [Qc Ad]
Ohiodonkey stands up
TilTinTime folds
jessedog94 calls $0.10
POkerlungs folds
Jayship folds
Margin Of Error raises to $0.65
joboo002 folds
Buck_oh folds
natureboy2 has 15 seconds left to act
Lemieux199 sits down
natureboy2 calls $0.55
jessedog94 folds
*** FLOP *** [8d 5h Td]
Lemieux199 adds $4
natureboy2 bets $1.40
Margin Of Error raises to $2.80
natureboy2 has 15 seconds left to act
natureboy2 calls $1.40
*** TURN *** [8d 5h Td] [6s]
natureboy2 checks
Margin Of Error bets $2.50
natureboy2 calls $2.50
*** RIVER *** [8d 5h Td 6s] [2c]
natureboy2 checks
Margin Of Error bets $6.50
natureboy2 folds
Uncalled bet of $6.50 returned to Margin Of Error
Margin Of Error shows [Qc Ad] (Ace Queen high)
Margin Of Error wins the pot ($10.80)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $12 | Rake $1.20
Board: [8d 5h Td 6s 2c]
Seat 1: POkerlungs didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: Jayship didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: Margin Of Error collected ($10.80)
Seat 4: joboo002 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: Buck_oh (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: Ohiodonkey (small blind) is sitting out
Seat 7: natureboy2 (big blind) folded on the River
Seat 8: TilTinTime didn't bet (folded)
Seat 9: jessedog94 folded before the Flop



Critique would be appreciated on this one too please.

[benny999]

#1 is a pf fold for me due to position and lack of reads (were there any?). Post flop looks ok. No reason to go nuts with such a fragile and likely-behind hand like that.

#2 looks like a spew to me, especially at 10nl, but if you post some reads or reasoning to it then maybe not.

[biondino]

OMG hand two is terrible - you will lose your stack three times as often as you win with it. At $10 and $25, a player who bets the flop hard, then calls two further bets, is extremely unlikely to fold when give 3:1 odds to call, unless you can be certain he's on a missed draw (in which case a check on the river is just as good).

[benny999]

um ya, I didn't notice the pot was at $11 when you bet $6.5 on the river in hand 2. To fold a hand like top or middle pair, which is a decent chunk of the range villain is repping, you usually need to take a line that represents something stronger and be against an aware villain (capable of folding these hands). So instead of a min raise flop, probe bet turn line, it should look more like how you bet an overpair, ie stronger bets.

As played the river bet is probably only folding a flush draw, as biondo wrote, this is lucky you got this time and there is a decent chance you already had the best hand. The line (and bluffing most 10nlers) is a spew at 10nl without a solid read because villains will call down with any pair a lot of the time facing these bets.

[benny999]

Also, try using this hand history thing to make it easier to read -

http://www.neildewhurst.com/hand-converter

This is a ton easier to look at...

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.05/$0.10
9 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $5.20
UTG+1: $12.80
MP1: $9.90
MP2: $36.55
Hero: $18
CO: $20.25
Button: $6.05
SB: $0
BB: $19.15

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is MP3 with Q A
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, 2 folds, Hero raises to $0.65, 2 folds, BB calls.

Flop: 8 5 T ($1.45, 3 players)
BB bets $1.4, Hero raises to $2.8, BB calls.

Turn: 6 ($7.05, 3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $2.5, BB calls.

River: 2 ($12.05, 3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $6.5.
Uncalled bets: $6.5 returned to Hero.

Results:
Final pot: $12.05

[Werddown]

first hand I probably fold too.. Draws on the board plus your hand is vulnerable and may already be drawing dead to a set.

second hand if you're going to raise the flop, make it more than just a min-raise. I'd give up after he calls the first bluff.. If I even bluffed to begin with.

[Halv]

First hand preflop is fine. If I'm leading the flop I make it pot size. I often like a check here though, it let's the PFR'er cbet, we get to see what the other players do and re-evaluate. Versus this action it is a clear fold. (Is this is a case of having good relative position?)

PS we aren't drawing dead to anything, running quads anyone?

[Margin Of Error]

OMG hand two is terrible - you will lose your stack three times as often as you win with it. At $10 and $25, a player who bets the flop hard, then calls two further bets, is extremely unlikely to fold when give 3:1 odds to call, unless you can be certain he's on a missed draw (in which case a check on the river is just as good).

Ya I agree with this, the reason I kept betting was because when I reraised his flop bet, he thought about it for a good 15-20 secs, same on turn. I figured if he liked his hand he would come over the top or just insta call and let me hang myself on the river.


Oh and for results oriented, in hand 1 villains held 88 and TT. Weak laydown but at the time a $5 flop reraise just screamed set to me.

[Halv]

It was still a good laydown. In this you're usually either way behind or barely ahead of their ranges. Plus there is an active player left. Good laydown.

[Miffed22001]

at these stakes make a hand and watch them pay you.

54s is not a hand i want to play at these stakes.