LAG and TAG

[jo]

I often hear people called LAGs or TAGs, but I'm not sure where the boundary is. Assuming someone is a winning player, what kind of stats would be the border between a LAG and a TAG for 6 max NL?

[Fnord]

I consider my online game sTAG

[Tom42]

This is all a bit arbitrary IMO. I had my pokertracker autorate rules draw the line at 28 VPIP a few months ago. Someone with an postflop aggressionfactor above 2 is marked aggressive.

Now I consider someone below 25 VPIP tight, between 25-31 semi-loose, and above 31 loose.

FWIW, I think somewhere between 20-25 VPIP, 10-15 PFR, 2,50-3,50 AF is ideal, that is for the kind of game I play, 100NL on Party.

[aislephive]

I'd say there are a lot of different stats to achieve either. I consider anybody with a PFR > 20 to be LAG even if they're not particularly loose as they are aggressive. There are 40/15 players that can be considered Lag. I play a 22/17 style while 6+ tabling which is Tag but also somewhat Lag at times when I'm getting in decent spots. Tag is probably 15-25 vpip / 10-20 pfr or something. A good tag / lag player can change gears depending on the table, loosening up at tight tables and tightening up at loose ones.

[Fnord]

loosening up at tight tables and tightening up at loose ones.

I thought better of you than to repeat that crap.

[gabe]

tightening up is only good advice when the games are really loose and aggressive

[alias2211]

loosening up at tight tables and tightening up at loose ones.

I thought better of you than to repeat that crap.

lol in A5's defense i think he's answering a general question with a general response. if OP had asked a more specific question i think A5 would have reciprocated.

[alias2211]

perceived aggression is way different than measured aggression, so be careful on relying on PT stats as a solitary source for determination. make sure to works towards developing your spidey senses so that you can tell who truly is and is not aggressive without the aid/hinderance of PT. IMO, anything higher than a 2:1 ratio of VPIP:PFR starts to actually become less aggro and more passive (i.e. consider 20/15 vs. 30/15 vs 40/15). stats aside, if it feels like someone is raising the shit out of you all the time, they probably are, so react accordingly.

[jackvance]

Problem is.. pure by definition LAG and TAG refer to preflop, but a lot of people take postflop play into consideration aswell. For example, a weak/tight guy who postflop folds everything but the nuts, calling him a TAG isn't really that representative.

[jo]

Cool, thanks for all the replies guys. My VPIP and PFR have been steadily creeping up, probably because I'm gaining a bit more confidence with NL, but I still seem to be in TAG territory.

[jo]

Problem is.. pure by definition LAG and TAG refer to preflop, but a lot of people take postflop play into consideration aswell. For example, a weak/tight guy who postflop folds everything but the nuts, calling him a TAG isn't really that representative.

Yeah, but what I was really looking for was players with a winning LAG or TAG style. I think being aggressive postflop is a given for a winning player.

[Fnord]

Cool, thanks for all the replies guys. My VPIP and PFR have been steadily creeping up, probably because I'm gaining a bit more confidence with NL, but I still seem to be in TAG territory.

Muhahahahaaha, bit by bit you become less of a nit...

[FlyingSaucy]

Looseness is always relative. It depends on the skill levels of your opponents mostly. There are times that I'd say in SnG's that reraising a 3x UTG raise with QQ is loose aggressive.

[Chopper]

apparently, the answer to EVERY question is...

it depends...

[aislephive]

Not really.

It depends on the question ..