Sweet, I suck balls again....help.

[BobbySalami]

First of all, I apologize about no converter, cant ever seem to get it to work with Pokerroom.

Hand 1) Table was reallllly passive PF, This was donktastic limpin in but I knew I'd see a cheap flop...meh. No other strong reads on the table, I felt the overbet was a missed flush draw...stupid ass river call?


Hand 1016809780, Started at 9/17/2006 11:36 PM
Table 'Baden': $0.25-$0.25 No Limit HE (Real)
Seat 0: DONMEGA30 ($16.45 in chips)
Seat 1: navychip777 ($16.95 in chips)
Seat 2: gingerminga ($20.95 in chips) (on the button)
Seat 3: braves728 ($26.50 in chips)
Seat 4: ljblufit ($14.50 in chips)
Seat 5: SweetDeal19 ($61.65 in chips)
Seat 6: shooterkr13 ($22.85 in chips)
Seat 7: BobbySalamiX ($24.35 in chips)
Seat 8: MBslick ($5.90 in chips)
Seat 9: thinkquarium ($33.70 in chips)
*** Blind Bet Round *** :
Dealt to BobbySalamiX: 10d
Dealt to BobbySalamiX: Qh
braves728 : Post Blind ($0.15)
ljblufit : Post Blind ($0.25)
*** Pre-Flop *** :
SweetDeal19 : Fold
shooterkr13 : Call ($0.25)
BobbySalamiX : Call ($0.25)
MBslick : Call ($0.25)
thinkquarium : Fold
DONMEGA30 : Call ($0.25)
navychip777 : Fold
gingerminga : Call ($0.25)
braves728 : Call ($0.10)
ljblufit : Check
*** Flop *** : 7d 4s Qs
braves728 : Bet ($0.50)
ljblufit : Fold
shooterkr13 : Fold
BobbySalamiX : Raise ($2)
MBslick : Fold
DONMEGA30 : Fold
gingerminga : Fold
braves728 : Call ($1.50)
*** Turn *** : [ 7d 4s Qs ] 3d
braves728 : Check
BobbySalamiX : Check
*** River *** : [ 7d 4s Qs 3d ] Qc
braves728 : Bet ($10)
BobbySalamiX : Call ($10)

Hand 2) Both opponents are really idiotic, I have seen them pay huge money for flush draws in the past plenty of times. With the action on the flop is this a bad push?

Hand 1016887916, Started at 9/18/2006 12:07 AM
Table 'Baden': $0.25-$0.25 No Limit HE (Real)
Seat 0: SlowDescent ($24.75 in chips)
Seat 1: mouse.T ($36.40 in chips)
Seat 2: VolofVol ($34.75 in chips)
Seat 3: braves728 ($39.90 in chips)
Seat 4: ljblufit ($16 in chips)
Seat 5: SweetDeal19 ($55.50 in chips) (on the button)
Seat 6: KFULLHOUSE ($10.15 in chips)
Seat 7: BobbySalamiX ($25 in chips)
Seat 8: phathand6 ($27.75 in chips)
Seat 9: thinkquarium ($16.50 in chips)
*** Blind Bet Round *** :
Dealt to BobbySalamiX: 10d
Dealt to BobbySalamiX: 10h
KFULLHOUSE : Post Blind ($0.15)
BobbySalamiX : Post Blind ($0.25)
*** Pre-Flop *** :
phathand6 : Fold
thinkquarium : Fold
SlowDescent : Fold
mouse.T : Call ($0.25)
VolofVol : Fold
braves728 : Fold
ljblufit : Call ($0.25)
SweetDeal19 : Fold
KFULLHOUSE : Call ($0.10)
BobbySalamiX : Bet ($1.50)
mouse.T : Call ($1.50)
ljblufit : Call ($1.50)
KFULLHOUSE : Fold
*** Flop *** : 4c 9c 10c
BobbySalamiX : Bet ($4)
mouse.T : Raise ($10)
ljblufit : Call ($10)
BobbySalamiX : Raise ($19.25)
BobbySalamiX : All In ($23.25)
mouse.T : Fold
ljblufit : Call ($4.25)
ljblufit : All In ($14.25)
*** Turn *** : [ 4c 9c 10c ] Jd
*** River *** : [ 4c 9c 10c Jd ] 5s

Hand 3) I knew villian took stabs at too many pots. I figured I'd call to see what the turn brough....betting the same amount on the turn looked weak....a raise may have been necessary here, but I wanted to see if I could get a cheap SD here.....weak?

Hand 1016857974, Started at 9/17/2006 11:55 PM
Table 'Oujda': $0.25-$0.25 No Limit HE (Real)
Seat 0: Mr_Vols ($11.60 in chips)
Seat 1: KingDavid X ($35.15 in chips)
Seat 2: DubbleBB ($49.70 in chips)
Seat 3: _xgamma_ ($21 in chips)
Seat 4: mad4080 ($16.75 in chips)
Seat 5: SlamWithNuts ($17.10 in chips) (on the button)
Seat 7: MeAmDo ($25.45 in chips)
Seat 8: bluffton05 ($13.35 in chips)
Seat 9: BobbySalamiX ($32 in chips)
*** Blind Bet Round *** :
Dealt to BobbySalamiX: 9d
Dealt to BobbySalamiX: 9s
MeAmDo : Post Blind ($0.15)
bluffton05 : Post Blind ($0.25)
*** Pre-Flop *** :
BobbySalamiX : Bet ($1)
Mr_Vols : Fold
KingDavid X : Call ($1)
DubbleBB : Call ($1)
_xgamma_ : Fold
mad4080 : Fold
SlamWithNuts : Fold
MeAmDo : Fold
bluffton05 : Fold
*** Flop *** : 3d 3c 7h
BobbySalamiX : Bet ($2.50)
KingDavid X : Fold
DubbleBB : Raise ($5)
BobbySalamiX : Call ($2.50)
*** Turn *** : [ 3d 3c 7h ] 7c
BobbySalamiX : Check
DubbleBB : Bet ($5)
BobbySalamiX : Call ($5)
*** River *** : [ 3d 3c 7h 7c ] 2s
BobbySalamiX : Check
DubbleBB : Check

Hand 4) No need for comment here...obvious what I did wrong, just thought I would show what a cruel bitch tilt can be. Oh, and also to show how much I suck.

Hand 1016906739, Started at 9/18/2006 12:14 AM
Table 'Baden': $0.25-$0.25 No Limit HE (Real)
Seat 0: SlowDescent ($14.50 in chips)
Seat 1: mouse.T ($11.25 in chips)
Seat 2: VolofVol ($30.75 in chips) (on the button)
Seat 3: Breathe_Deep ($21.55 in chips)
Seat 4: ljblufit ($43.50 in chips)
Seat 5: SweetDeal19 ($55.25 in chips)
Seat 6: KFULLHOUSE ($9.90 in chips)
Seat 7: BobbySalamiX ($29.80 in chips)
Seat 8: phathand6 ($26.10 in chips)
Seat 9: thinkquarium ($14 in chips)
*** Blind Bet Round *** :
Dealt to BobbySalamiX: Kc
Dealt to BobbySalamiX: Js
Breathe_Deep : Post Blind ($0.15)
ljblufit : Post Blind ($0.25)
*** Pre-Flop *** :
SweetDeal19 : Fold
KFULLHOUSE : Call ($0.25)
BobbySalamiX : Bet ($1.50)
phathand6 : Call ($1.50)
thinkquarium : Fold
SlowDescent : Fold
mouse.T : Fold
VolofVol : Fold
Breathe_Deep : Fold
ljblufit : Fold
KFULLHOUSE : Call ($1.25)
*** Flop *** : 8s Jc 5h
KFULLHOUSE : Check
BobbySalamiX : Bet ($4)
phathand6 : Fold
KFULLHOUSE : Call ($4)
*** Turn *** : [ 8s Jc 5h ] As
KFULLHOUSE : Check
BobbySalamiX : Check
*** River *** : [ 8s Jc 5h As ] 7d
KFULLHOUSE : Bet ($4.40)
KFULLHOUSE : All In ($4.40)
BobbySalamiX : Call ($4.40)
*** SUMMARY ***
Pot: $21.20 | Rake: $0.50
Board: [ 8s Jc 5h As 7d 8s Jc 5h As 7d ]
SlowDescent lost $0
mouse.T lost $0
VolofVol lost $0
Breathe_Deep lost $0.15
ljblufit lost $0.25
SweetDeal19 lost $0
KFULLHOUSE bet $9.90, collected $21.20, net $11.30 Shows [ 10c 9h ] (a straight, Jack high)
BobbySalamiX lost $9.90 Shows [ Kc Js ] (a pair of Jacks)
phathand6 lost $1.50
thinkquarium lost $0

[Blinky]

1. You already know about pf. I think limping against passive players with this hand is ok, but I would avoid doing it in EP.

Bet the turn. Against most opps you will be facing a river decision (and potential bluff) if you check behind after raising. As played, it kind of looks like YOU'RE on the flush draw... I dunno.

If he outkicked you with a better Q, such is poker.

2) I think this is OK. I'm too tired to do the math right now but I believe that FE + odds to improve here make a push reasonable. If you really feel you're up against a flush though, I think it's livable to try for your draw (given correct odds of course).

3) I probably play it the same way. I am torn about valuebettting the river - I suspect it's one of the cases where better hands raise and the only thing that might pay you off (other than another small pair) is an A - but it wouldh ave to be a pretty wimpy river lead.

[BobbySalami]

Hand 1 - Yah, not sure why I didnt bet the turn there.....geuss I felt being multiway my TPWK with a caller was no good. But then I hit a money card and was unsure what to do....wow this was an ugly one.

Hand 2- If you feel your up against a flush with 2 others in the pot, do you advise a call? I felt it was push/fold time....I was thinking that I'm up against 1 club hands here often enough to be +EV.....

[Blinky]

Hand 2- If you feel your up against a flush with 2 others in the pot, do you advise a call? I felt it was push/fold time....I was thinking that I'm up against 1 club hands here often enough to be +EV.....

It is very difficult to put someone on a made flush.

If you DO put someone on a flopped flush though, pushing is worthless and goes against our goals of sticking our stack in when we're ahead.

On that flop - well, you have a chance to close the action. Again; if you're quite certain you're up against a flush, you know what you have to do - draw out - and you know how to do it and when to do it.

Against a FD, I agree, push works.

[bode]

hand 1: i think i make this call as played. villaing completes from SB, so he really could have any hand. If he in fact has the case Q, its Q5/Q8 or something as easy as QJ/QK/QA.

hand 2: well played.

hand 3: i dont mind seeing a cheap showdown here.

hand 4: fold preflop

[Stripclubjunkie]

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[martindcx1e]

don't you have to use hh's from pt with pokerroom? or maybe the raw hh's from the site stats? i'm pretty sure the hh's you get from clicking on "previous hand' at the table are worthless for any converting.

[BobbySalami]

Hand 2- If you feel your up against a flush with 2 others in the pot, do you advise a call? I felt it was push/fold time....I was thinking that I'm up against 1 club hands here often enough to be +EV.....

It is very difficult to put someone on a made flush.

If you DO put someone on a flopped flush though, pushing is worthless and goes against our goals of sticking our stack in when we're ahead.

On that flop - well, you have a chance to close the action. Again; if you're quite certain you're up against a flush, you know what you have to do - draw out - and you know how to do it and when to do it.

Against a FD, I agree, push works.

Now that I look back a call here to take another call would not be a horrid play........

Say I call and see a turn, what do I do if its a club vs. non scare card.

I would think all my money is getting in regardless unless the turn is a club...another argument for pushing while I am most likely ahead?