2 for 1 post, KK hands

[NLHE lahooozaher]

First hand, opp is loose/fairly aggressive. Standard? How much should I raise on the flop?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Button ($106.15)
SB ($94.70)
BB ($81.70)
UTG ($75.10)
MP ($227.35)
Hero ($112.05)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K, K.
UTG calls $1, 1 fold, Hero raises to $5, 2 folds, BB calls $4, UTG calls $4.

Flop: ($15.50) T, 9, 4 (3 players)
BB checks, UTG bets $9, Hero raises to $29, BB folds, UTG calls $20.

Turn: ($73.50) A (2 players)
UTG bets $41.1 (All-In), Hero calls $41.10.

This villain is 23/8/1.8 and is playing with me on 3 of the 6 tables I'm playing and doesn't get out of line. No idea what he thinks of me but at this table this is the 2nd round in a row i've 3bet from co/button. Anybody ever play this different?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

UTG ($101.10)
MP ($159.70)
Hero ($97.75)
SB ($18.40)
BB ($38.70)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K, K.
UTG raises to $4, 1 fold, Hero raises to $14, 2 folds, UTG calls $10.

Flop: ($29.50) J, 2, Q (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $21, UTG calls $21.

Turn: ($71.50) 5 (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $62.75 (All-In)

[elipsesjeff]

Hand 1: You could probably fold here, especially after he calls your massive flop raise.

Hand 2: I don't know how else to play it. Hope that villain has AQ and pays you off. I think if you check behind or bet any less you give your opponent a chance to draw out on you for free if he has KT or 9Ts.

[bdawg56kg]

1) Looks fine. No reason to think the A helped him.

2) I'd check turn, possibly check flop. If he is as you described, the only hand that calls your push that you beat is AQ. I wouldn't go putting too much emphasis on the fact that it's the 2nd round in a row that you 3bet from co/bn. First, 3-betting twice really is nothing and usually will not cause opponents to play back at you. Second, unless you have specifically 3-bet HIM twice, he will probably will not suspect you to be making a move, and hence will not get out of line here.

[euphoricism]

I disagree with both your comments bdawg.

[andy-akb]

Hand 1: You could probably fold here, especially after he calls your massive flop raise.

Hand 2: I don't know how else to play it. Hope that villain has AQ and pays you off. I think if you check behind or bet any less you give your opponent a chance to draw out on you for free if he has KT or 9Ts.

In hand 1 the raise is less than a PSR.

1) Looks fine. No reason to think the A helped him.

2) I'd check turn, possibly check flop. If he is as you described, the only hand that calls your push that you beat is AQ. I wouldn't go putting too much emphasis on the fact that it's the 2nd round in a row that you 3bet from co/bn. First, 3-betting twice really is nothing and usually will not cause opponents to play back at you. Second, unless you have specifically 3-bet HIM twice, he will probably will not suspect you to be making a move, and hence will not get out of line here.

Hand 1:
This is a situation I suck at, when an ace shows on the turn when can I expect that it helped him?

Hand 2:
I really dont mind the turn push, but what sort of hands could we put him on? For the flush draw he would need a rather random hand, think about what hands he would raise with and call a reraise. For Axs hands he is probably raising a wide range but folding them to a reraise and even if he were calling with AJ+ we have the Ks so none of those hands give him the draw. A 23/8 probably isnt raising SCs UTG and also probably wouldnt call a reraise with them so I think a FD is very unlikely. Given this, if we are ahead he is drawing pretty thin and if we are determined to get it AI on this board we probably get more value by checking the turn and pushing or calling a push on the river.

[Robert]

I disagree with both your comments bdawg.

lol, NH euph

[alias2211]

hand 1: either he needed that A and spiked it or he didn't need it and was glad it came in case you had one. does he know that $40 into $70 isn't going to push you off a worse hand? if so, easy fold. i think this is really read oriented, if he's taking tons of stabs w/ air then i call. if not, it's a fold. i have played against some players that would see this as an opportunity for a bluff, but not many of them @ $100nl. that would be a pretty advanced play.

hand2: you can't check turn behind because the pot size and your stack size are about the same. if you guys were deeper then you could check turn. in this case, i either call his lead out push, check raise him all in or open push myself. turn all in is best for this spot. one comment about the flop bet size: do you see how on the turn you're asking him to call $63 into $72? if you had bet full pot on flop and he's drawing, it's much easier for him to call your last $54 into $90. both A10s and 910s have about the same chance to win that hand after the turn brick (30%) even though on the flop they were about coinflips with you.

if you're smoked anyway it doesn't much matter, this is a fine spot to go broke. but you're going to get more value by getting them "priced in" by the time the turn would possibly fall.

[r8ed]

hand 1: either he needed that A and spiked it or he didn't need it and was glad it came in case you had one. does he know that $40 into $70 isn't going to push you off a worse hand? if so, easy fold. i think this is really read oriented, if he's taking tons of stabs w/ air then i call. if not, it's a fold. i have played against some players that would see this as an opportunity for a bluff, but not many of them @ $100nl. that would be a pretty advanced play.

hand2: you can't check turn behind because the pot size and your stack size are about the same. if you guys were deeper then you could check turn. in this case, i either call his lead out push, check raise him all in or open push myself. turn all in is best for this spot. one comment about the flop bet size: do you see how on the turn you're asking him to call $63 into $72? if you had bet full pot on flop and he's drawing, it's much easier for him to call your last $54 into $90. both A10s and 910s have about the same chance to win that hand after the turn brick (30%) even though on the flop they were about coinflips with you.

if you're smoked anyway it doesn't much matter, this is a fine spot to go broke. but you're going to get more value by getting them "priced in" by the time the turn would possibly fall.

I think we have a winner. Excellent explanations.

[dsaxton]

Both look standard.

In hand one, this is a typical donk line from about a million hands that you beat. He bets out with some pair or a draw on the flop, you raise him, and he doesn't want to fold, so he calls. Then, for reasons not completely understood, he bets out again or just goes all-in on basically any turn. I've seen this about a million times and it can be anything from a pair of T's, a pair of 9's to Q-J. Besides, his push is only about half the pot.

Second hand, you don't even have a pot-sized bet in your stack, and you probably have the best hand. Go all-in.

[NLHE lahooozaher]

Hand 1:
This is a situation I suck at, when an ace shows on the turn when can I expect that it helped him?

It's also a situation I suck at but it's only a math question after all the money is AI. I have no idea either when it helped him. In hind sight he probably knows that I have a big ten/JJ-AA and just hoping he has FE. As alias said, that would be pretty advanced thinking. He had 89s and I scoop.

The second hand is the one that gave me trouble, I felt pretty bad when he called my turn push. He called with the only hand I could beat as many of you mentioned AQo, he missed and I scoop again.

@alias, thanks for the explanation of the pot size. Manipulating pot size is something I'm trying to work on.