Dueling with Lukie - 3 hands

[bdawg56kg]

1) Just sat down and have been playing for a few minutes.

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SB ($215.70)
BB ($400)
UTG ($406.20)
Hero ($533)
CO ($374.60)
Button ($624.55)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 9, 9.
UTG raises to $16, Hero calls $16, 4 folds.

Flop: ($38) 3, 6, 8 (2 players)
UTG bets $28, Hero calls $28.

Turn: ($94) 9 (2 players)
UTG bets $75, Hero calls $75...

2) A while later on another table.

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BB ($571)
UTG ($394)
MP ($473)
CO ($879.20)
Button ($487.80)
Hero ($501.10)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 3, 5.
4 folds, Hero raises to $16, BB calls $12.

Flop: ($32) A, 5, A (2 players)
Hero bets $25, BB calls $25.

Turn: ($82) 8 (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $55, Hero calls $55.

River: ($192) K (2 players)
Hero bets $121

3) A little while later on another table. I chose to call preflop because given the dynamics of the game at that time, I thought 3-betting would allow him to play the hand more perfectly and I could control the pot having position.

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Hero ($549.80)
SB ($330.90)
BB ($89)
UTG ($398)
MP ($416.65)
CO ($495.50)

Preflop: Hero is Button with J, J.
UTG raises to $16, 2 folds, Hero calls $16, 2 folds.

Flop: ($38) 3, 5, 8 (2 players)
UTG bets $28, Hero calls $28.

Turn: ($94) 2 (2 players)
UTG bets $76, Hero calls $76.

River: ($246) K (2 players)
UTG bets $278 (All-In), Hero ???

[IowaSkinsFan]

on hand 3 unless he is 3rd level thinking i think this may be a call. It's either an A high flush IMO or a bluff.

[mcatdog]

on hand 3 unless he is 3rd level thinking i think this may be a call. It's either an A high flush IMO or a bluff.

IMO Lukie is far too good of a player for this to be true.

[gabe]

would you ever show up with a straight on hand 1, or does lukie think you are tighter than that? i would raise that turn because he won't put you on a set, but if he can put you on a straight (depending on how looes you are in position preflop) then i might just call and try to make a bluffy looking bet on river.

hand 2 is good, hand 3 is fold

[Fnord]

1: Raise turn
2: Check turn
3: Raise turn

[gabe]

1: Raise turn
2: Check turn
3: Raise turn

i think you misread #2 and raising the turn on #3 turns our overpair into a bluff

[Fnord]

Yeah, misread #2.

On #3, I still like my line although it's very depending on how the game has been playing. Last I played him, Lukie wasn't the type I'd want to run call, call, call style lines against in spots like that.

[gabe]

then why not raise the flop wheres its cheaper to find out how much lukie likes his hand?

[Fnord]

then why not raise the flop wheres its cheaper to find out how much lukie likes his hand?

Certainly worth considering. On the flip side, how light is he firing a second barrel? A raise on the turn has strong implied threat and can often buy us a showdown.

[nutsinho]

1. a rare spot where ill advocate a minraise
2. if you insist on flexing your muscles here i prefer CRAI because i think a lot of his range is air or A8-AJ, all of which he is bet/folding.
3. i think call-call-fold is easily the best way to play this.

[Fnord]

3. i think call-call-fold is easily the best way to play this.

My Stupid Wild Ass Guess is that Lukie's current 3-barrel frequency is such that I feel comfortable neither calling nor folding a lot of rivers.

[gabe]

lukie has a text message date with shania!

[bdawg56kg]

would you ever show up with a straight on hand 1, or does lukie think you are tighter than that? i would raise that turn because he won't put you on a set, but if he can put you on a straight (depending on how looes you are in position preflop) then i might just call and try to make a bluffy looking bet on river.

hand 2 is good, hand 3 is fold

I don't think there is much difference between having a set or a straight here, because they both similarly against his range. I know that Lukie knows that this is a pretty crappy board to slowplay a set on, which is the main reason I decided to just call the turn. If I shove turn, he may or may not call with AA/KK, but I'm confident he will call a river bet with it, not to mention picking off a bluff.

For hand 2, some of you advocate a c/r on the turn, but I don't really like it because stack sizes are really awkward if I c/r to 150 or something. I actually think that leading turn might have been a better play. I have a weak hand with a weak draw on a paired board, so if I get blown off my draw it's not the end of the world.

[bdawg56kg]

on hand 3 unless he is 3rd level thinking i think this may be a call. It's either an A high flush IMO or a bluff.

IMO Lukie is far too good of a player for this to be true.

There is a ton of metagame and deep thinking going on when we play against each other. We both know each other's tendencies and how we react in certain "standard" situations, so we both really try to mix it up a lot.

Fwiw, I think the 3rd hand is very close (but maybe too player dependent). The results of the first hand probably are important, so I'll just go ahead and say it now. River was a Jo, and Lukie shoved for about a psb, and I called and picked off his bluff with A5 .

[gabe]

I don't think there is much difference between having a set or a straight here, because they both similarly against his range.

i was saying the difference lies in whether lukie should be scared of a straight. if you routinely cold call 57s on the button (i do, some dont) then i like a call. its hard for him to put you on a monster with the turn raise if he knows you never have straights there.

[Lukie]

on hand 3 unless he is 3rd level thinking i think this may be a call. It's either an A high flush IMO or a bluff.

IMO Lukie is far too good of a player for this to be true.

There is a ton of metagame and deep thinking going on when we play against each other. We both know each other's tendencies and how we react in certain "standard" situations, so we both really try to mix it up a lot.

Fwiw, I think the 3rd hand is very close (but maybe too player dependent). The results of the first hand probably are important, so I'll just go ahead and say it now. River was a Jo, and Lukie shoved for about a psb, and I called and picked off his bluff with A5 .

bastard!

I've never been more confident that a 3-barrel would be successful, and this asshat literally calls in about a third of a second.

[Lukie]

hand 2, I'm not really high on how you played it, because it's really only going to be successful against a pure float on the flop. Of course, that's exactly what I had, and I was kinda irritated on the river as I passed on KJo, pretty confident that you were trying to squeeze a bit of value out of it.

hand 3 is very hard to play on your end because you have little information to go on. You're passing up a lot of value by not 3-betting pre, but there's certainly nothing wrong with just calling here sometimes. I think raising the flop is better then just calling though. There's just too many nasty cards that ruin your hand or your action. It's not really turning your hand into a bluff against me either because I'd be quick to push a good number of draws (and of course sets/overpairs, but such is the price of sitting in a game against me). Needless to say, I think you have to call if I push over a raise here.

Turn, I think is really more between calling or folding. You've obviously under-repped your hand big time by this point, but (from your perspective), I'm not big on putting in a committing raise here with no idea where we are, possibly drawing dead or very close to it, etc.

River is pretty tough. I personally think it's a fold, because you pretty much have what I thought you had. I was thinking more along the lines of 77 or 99, with or without a diamond, but it really doesn't matter much because I'm not pushing a hand here that beats 77 but not JJ.

That said, I do think it's a unique spot against me because this is not air/monster. I would consider pushing AK here if I really thought I was good, and I don't think there are many players where that holds true. I think I have a big flush, sometimes a set too often here to make this call, but that's just my opinion.

In this particular hand, I had 44 with a diamond. My thinking was that you have rarely seen me put in stacks without the goods (ok this is a lie-- but I don't do it that much relative to how much we've played together), and you couldn't possibly think that I would take the exact same line (raise preflop, lead flop, lead turn, overbet push river) as a bluff 2 hands in a matter of like 15 minutes.

I seriously need to stop detailing my thoughts to people who want to take my money. Enjoy.

[gabe]

lukie once you see he can play 999 like that in the first hand, you dont want to be firing 3 barrels on te 3rd hand with 44 on that type of board out of position

[Lukie]

lukie once you see he can play 999 like that in the first hand, you dont want to be firing 3 barrels on te 3rd hand with 44 on that type of board out of position

I'm fairly certain that was the first (and only) time in bdawg's career that he's played 99 like that.

[gabe]

fair enough

[bdawg56kg]

River is pretty tough. I personally think it's a fold, because you pretty much have what I thought you had.

This is actually a strong argument for calling.

[bdawg56kg]

lukie once you see he can play 999 like that in the first hand, you dont want to be firing 3 barrels on te 3rd hand with 44 on that type of board out of position

I'm fairly certain that was the first (and only) time in bdawg's career that he's played 99 like that.

Haha, while it's def not my standard I am very capable of taking passive lines (on draw heavy boards) to trap aggro players like yourself.

Gabe's logic is actually a big reason why I folded. Well, that and running terribly.

[Lukie]

River is pretty tough. I personally think it's a fold, because you pretty much have what I thought you had.

This is actually a strong argument for calling.

depends on how you're looking at it I guess. I have been called here many times by different players with pp's worse then a K. Often times when I push in similar spots and I'm not good (and not up against a monster), it's because I value-sting myself by pushing a hand like AK, no suits here (and get called by something better).

In fact, my 3-barrel success rate is so poor that I almost fear getting it allin when villain takes a passive line. I always get called by tpgk or underpair or such. I'm not saying I never do though, hence hand 1 (and hand 3, lol).

I dunno, just some random thoughts. Read into them however you'd like.

[gabe]

Gabe's logic is actually a big reason why I folded. Well, that and running terribly.

haha whenever ive played lukie and lose money to him its always because im on te 4th level and hes still on #2

[Lukie]

Gabe's logic is actually a big reason why I folded. Well, that and running terribly.

haha every time I play with lukie I lose money because I expect him to be playing crazy since he knows me but in reality he just play very straightforward and I still havn't adapted to that yet

[gabe]

im pretty sure the last time we played together i stacked you because you couldnt fold an overpair

[gabe]

also, i would love to play you headsup until i die. name the stakes and site and ill meet you there any day of the week.

[Lukie]

im pretty sure the last time we played together i stacked you because you couldnt fold an overpair

This is the exception, not the norm when we play. You know that.

[Lukie]

also, i would love to play you headsup until i die. name the stakes and site and ill meet you there any day of the week.

Let's go bitch. 5/10 no, right here right now. Any empty table.

[Lukie]

actually, no. You wouldn't play me at 10/20 when I was tilting like crazy so I won't play you at 5/10 when you're drunk. Whatever happened to going to sleep by the way?

[UG]

also, i would love to play you headsup until i die. name the stakes and site and ill meet you there any day of the week.

lol that's hardcore