This hand just made me go huh?

[zenbitz]

Full Tilt Poker Game #1434201597: Table Tyndall - $0.25/$0.50 - No Limit Hold'em - 21:39:07 ET - 2006/12/18
Seat 1: Tunaman4u2 ($36.25)
Seat 2: DCMirage ($50.20)
Seat 3: MrDing ($50)
Seat 4: NJ_BLACK ($18.40)
Seat 5: zenbitz ($64.60)
Seat 6: slickcliffd ($16.60)
Seat 7: savsslobs ($50.75)
Seat 8: Longsession ($34.65)
Seat 9: MGT2911 ($47.75)
MGT2911 has 5 seconds left to act
MGT2911 posts the small blind of $0.25
Tunaman4u2 posts the big blind of $0.50
The button is in seat #8
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to zenbitz [Qd Kc]
DCMirage folds
MrDing calls $0.50
NJ_BLACK folds
zenbitz calls $0.50
slickcliffd folds
savsslobs folds
Longsession folds
MGT2911 has 15 seconds left to act
MGT2911 calls $0.25
Tunaman4u2 checks
*** FLOP *** [As 6s Jh]
MGT2911 checks
Tunaman4u2 checks
MrDing checks
zenbitz bets $2
MGT2911 folds
Tunaman4u2 calls $2
MrDing folds
*** TURN *** [As 6s Jh] [Kh]
Tunaman4u2 bets $4
zenbitz has 15 seconds left to act
zenbitz calls $4
*** RIVER *** [As 6s Jh Kh] [Ks]
Tunaman4u2 bets $0.50
zenbitz ...calls $0.50
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Tunaman4u2 shows [Qs Ah] (two pair, Aces and Kings)
zenbitz shows [Qd Kc] (three of a kind, Kings)


Anyone find a raise somewhere?

[Clumbah]

The only place your looking at a raise here is on the river...possibly the turn to see where you stand with a 2nd pair. The way it played i would have raised the river bet, $.5 into a pot how big? hes trying to price in a cheap showdown, one that you shouldnt give him.

Villan checked his BB and then check-called the flop meaning hes likely at best on an Ace rather than 2 pair or more. only thing your worried about on the river is the flush that came but a bet of $.5 into such a big pot is hardly for value with a flush which is a big tell he didnt hit the flush. Trying to price in the showdown is screaming "i have the ace...did you just hit your running kings?" Make him pay to show down and raise it up

[salsa4ever]

I hate the whole hand

why no aggression pre flop and then bet on the flop in a 4 way pot with a gutshot?

Raise the river for sure

[zenbitz]

why no aggression pre flop and then bet on the flop in a 4 way pot with a gutshot?

I would rather fold KQo here than raise, vs. these opponents. Either I raise to like $2, and get a bunch of callers, or I raise more like $3-5 and only get called when I am behind. In either case, the pot is pretty big. If my position was better, I would raise and either get HU or steal the blinds.

Most of these players are much tighter post flop than they are pre-flop. The will fold all sorts of better hands to a flop bet here (draws, AX), and its reasonably cheap for me.

Raise the river for sure

Yeah, when he calls and donks the turn, I put him on a much better hand. In fact, I think my turn call was quite loose (and indeed I am way behind). I didn't raise because I was just confused by his line - for some reaosn I though he had KJ or AK, or a set, or even a flush... even though by the river this is pretty unlikely.
Finally, if he really is weak he will fold almost always to my raise.

[mcatdog]

If you're not raising the crap out of that river then you really need to fold the turn because a lot of the time you're drawing to six outs and you need to get some value when you hit.