I'm sick of looking for this...

[euphoricism]

Someone with a significantly larger sample size please post one of these so that I can save it and have something to refer to...

[euphoricism]

also, if you can one with the show-all box checked and won with it unchecked? :]]]

[JL]

This is for NL100-400...mostly NL200 though.




Now tell me why you want this?

Edit: sorry it's not "significantly" larger than your sample.

[euphoricism]

We're running some math over in the beginners section about how many times we're expected to hit X in practice rather than in theory. Need someone with lots of hands for that

[Genitruc]

We're running some math over in the beginners section about how many times we're expected to hit X in practice rather than in theory. Need someone with lots of hands for that

???

[euphoricism]

Another application is to do some sort of comparison between any given sample size against the population size..

IE heres my last 12kish hands compared to an "average" 12k hands of yours. Clearly I'm making way way way more two pairs than I deserve and not enough trips. Everything else seems about right.

Showing hands that were NOT folded (my PT isnt showing the ones that I did fold... anyone know why???)

• HIGH CARD
  [list:e3105a235c]# times expected: 70
  Actual # times: 51
  Difference: -19

ONE PAIR

• # times expected: 218
  Actual # times: 216
  Difference: -2

TWO PAIR

• # times expected: 113
  Actual # times: 144
  Difference: +31

THREE OF A KIND

• # times expected: 43
  Actual # times: 26
  Difference: -17

STRAIGHT

• # times expected: 22
  Actual # times: 19
  Difference: -3

FLUSH

• # times expected: 19
  Actual # times: 22
  Difference: 3

FULL HOUSE

• # times expected: 17
  Actual # times: 22
  Difference: 5

FOUR OF A KIND

• # times expected: 0
  Actual # times: 3
  Difference: 3

STRAIGHT FLUSH

• # times expected: 0
  Actual # times: 0
  Difference: 0

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[euphoricism]

We're running some math over in the beginners section about how many times we're expected to hit X in practice rather than in theory. Need someone with lots of hands for that

???

One example is sets. The math says you'll average 59 pocket pairs in a given 1k hand sample, and therefore flop about 7 sets per 1k hands. But that clearly doesnt take into account that some pocket pairs dont see the flop. So then, how many are you REALISTICALLY expected to hit? (When I ran the calculations on myself, I averaged closer to 5 per 1k hands)

I recognize that its not very scientific, but this is the best way I can think of to reach something of a "real" number - especially if we get a large enough sample size. Its effected by a lot of things -- an individuals play style, their VPIP, strength of opponents, etc etc, but I think its alright for a ballpark figure..

[Genitruc]

I just don't understand how it's relevant is all...

If you're looking to do it to establish if you're running hot or not you can just compare to theoretical stats, can't you?

How does it help to know that someone with a large sample size hits fewer sets than expected just because they happen to get out PP'ed and fold lots of PP's preflop?

[euphoricism]

Well yes and no. Yes we can compare it to the theoretical -- but that assumes every hand being played to completion -- but the goal is to get to something of a practical number.

I'd prefer to be using the numbers with the box UNchecked, therefore showing ALL hands -- but for some reason my PT isn't showing them and I dont know why. Nonetheless, I think only using hands that went to showdown, while not perfect, is still valid.

I've played 12k hands and I'm down about 4.5 buyins, and I think its because I'm running bad -- maybe I'm being pushed out of pots preflop more than "normal" or maybe I'm playing badly, or maybe its just bad luck... but in any case I think its valid comparison and worthy of note that in a typical 12k hand sample JL, who is obviously a winning player, took 43 trips to showdown, and I only took 26 and that I took way more two-pairs to showdown than he did.

How does it help to know that someone with a large sample size hits fewer sets than expected just because they happen to get out PP'ed and fold lots of PP's preflop?

They might like to know that

[Renton]

its beyond irrelevant

[Genitruc]

hijack time :

i m so shitty with tehcpu's. How did you guys get your Operation thingies pasted into your sigs? (as you can see mine didn't quite work out )

[bigspenda73]

its beyond irrelevant

Euph is on a crusade to mathematically explain why his is not winning at $50NL. That is all I can figure from all of this. I don't want to come off as an ass but it always isn't variance man.

[gabe]

300k hands exactly gave me this

i kept the bottom net $ because it looks so sexy

[Alibi]

omfg.

[givememyleg]

and some people work for $6 / hour.

[JL]

Here's 200K hands.
Strange how I have almost as many hands not folded as Gabe does in 300k hands....leak??

Hmmm...too bad this wasnt what it looked like unchecked.
Unchecked I have lost almost $100k with high card and one pair hands.

[JL]

Funny how after 200k hands I have not taken one bad beat (4 of a kind losing). However, there are people (fish) that go to my local casino just to win the bad beat jackpot...
...if they only knew.

[NLHE lahooozaher]

Funny how after 200k hands I have not taken one bad beat (4 of a kind losing). However, there are people (fish) that go to my local casino just to win the bad beat jackpot...
...if they only knew.

I have 468k hands of cash games and have never had 4ok lose. Adding with tournies is well over 500k hands and I've never lost 4ok. I also haven't seen 4ok lose.

[euphoricism]

its beyond irrelevant

Euph is on a crusade to mathematically explain why his is not winning at $50NL. That is all I can figure from all of this. I don't want to come off as an ass but it always isn't variance man.

A) Not playing 50NL
B) I'm a 5bb/100 winner over my last 50k at 25NL

So yup, youre an ass



Thanks to gabe et al for the images, its midterm week but I'll try and get something meaningful drawn from them when I get some time.

[zenbitz]

Man gabe, $1.3M if you never fold! The sekret to poker is NEVER FOLD!

[bigspenda73]

its beyond irrelevant

Euph is on a crusade to mathematically explain why his is not winning at $50NL. That is all I can figure from all of this. I don't want to come off as an ass but it always isn't variance man.

A) Not playing 50NL
B) I'm a 5bb/100 winner over my last 50k at 25NL

So yup, youre an ass

Yea Im the ass. Who would have ever thought you were actually a winning player seeing how all you do lately is complain about how bad you run. Also, stop complaining about running bad if you are making 5bb/100 over your last 50k hands which is pretty good. No one can complain about running poorly with a solid winrate over 50k hands.

[koolmoe]

all you do lately is complain about how bad you run.

Get used to it. euph vents a lot. You don't have to take it personally.

[euphoricism]

I really dont know where youre getting that, spenda. I really havent made any post here about how bad I run. On my blog, yeah, I went 13k hands with 5buyins down, I ran bad... and?

But your post above is just blatant bullshit.

[IowaSkinsFan]

LOL dude gabe hasn't made 1.33 mil at poker, nor has JL made 220k. Those numbers at the bottom isn't your net winnings at poker.

[euphoricism]

Theyre gross! (Get it? Get it?)

[IowaSkinsFan]

And also Spenda and Euph, your arguement with each other is completely ridiculous.
Spenda, insulting someone isn't going to change them. You just pissed off Euph and now ur in this arguement. Idk why you care that Euph vents a lot whether he does or not. It shouldn't matter to you.
Euph, you seem to vent a lot from what i've seen. When someone insults you or says something about you realize that they are getting that idea from somewhere; rarely do people pull stuff out of their ass. Take his insult as a medium to improve your game/life.

[zenbitz]

LOL dude gabe hasn't made 1.33 mil at poker, nor has JL made 220k. Those numbers at the bottom isn't your net winnings at poker.

lolthanksfortheclarificationaments

[UG]

{Locked because I don't like where this is going and what's being discussed is no longer relevant for in this forum. Take this type of stuff up in the commune, or better yet, use the private messaging system.}