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[gabe]

is it just me or is everytime villian bets slightly more than pot on river they have the nuts?

[UG]

over-betting the pot has been the new value bet for a long time now


or are you asking another question (or making a statement) by asking this question?

[gabe]

i mean when the pot is like 185 and they bet 200 when stacks are like 600 maybe

[bode]

i actually use this quite a bit. It looks so much like you are trying to buy the pot, especially if it checks through the turn.

[Galapogos]

I think about 95% of the time a river over bet is a hand that kicks your ass. I thought it was more of a deal at my level when so many guys don't know how to properly build a pot and try to make up for that on the river.

[griffey24]

i actually use this quite a bit. It looks so much like you are trying to buy the pot, especially if it checks through the turn.

I agree with this. Trying to rep a missed draw, buying the pot, when you have a strong strong hand.

I think the intentional over-bet compared to the pot is ridiculously strong, and rarely a bluff (ie: intentionally betting 39 into 32 pot). But i'm still prone to calling the flat out over-bet all-in push, which is seemingly a lot of bluffs or weak hands (pushing $65 into 32 pot).

[gabe]

ok so in conclusion, fold to those bets from good players on the riv

[DaNutsInYoEye]

i actually use this quite a bit. It looks so much like you are trying to buy the pot, especially if it checks through the turn.

yeah, but how often do you see people doing this when they actually are trying to buy it? if a 160 bet into a 185 pot gets folds as often as a 200 bet you're going to bet 160 on a bluff.

[IowaSkinsFan]

i actually use this quite a bit. It looks so much like you are trying to buy the pot, especially if it checks through the turn.

yeah, but how often do you see people doing this when they actually are trying to buy it?

PWNED

Yeah there was some post on 2p2 about how people tend to overbet thinking it looks like a bluff when its a value bet 100% of the time.
I actually tend to overbet bluff a decent amount.

[Anosmic]

ok so in conclusion, fold to those bets from good players on the riv

Unless you also have the nuts.

But seriously, I think this is a good rule I'd like to apply more consistently. But not too consistently because there's a percentage of players (and I'm not comfortable classifying them as 'not good') who like this as a bluff with a busted flush they've been betting aggressively etc etc

[griffey24]

I actually tend to overbet bluff a decent amount.

Maybe this doesn't apply at your stakes. But certainly at 100NL I'd imagine that most players still abide by the "he only bet 3/5 of the pot, it looks like he wants a call, so I'll fold" ... "wow.. thats an over-bet.. he wants me to fold, so I'll call" mentality.

Where, by this logic, an over-bet bluff would get called more often than a 3/4 pot bluff.

[Ash256]

I actually tend to overbet bluff a decent amount.

Maybe this doesn't apply at your stakes. But certainly at 100NL I'd imagine that most players still abide by the "he only bet 3/5 of the pot, it looks like he wants a call, so I'll fold" ... "wow.. thats an over-bet.. he wants me to fold, so I'll call" mentality.

Where, by this logic, an over-bet bluff would get called more often than a 3/4 pot bluff.

Great post.

[Genitruc]

Guess it's time to start overbet-bluffing again.

[IowaSkinsFan]

Guess it's time to start overbet-bluffing again.

You stole my idea, except im not going to unless its against some reg.