I got a flush, why are YOU raising?

[Alexos]

MP is biggest ever fish, so I'm basically playing every hand to stack him...Villain (UTG) is a good LAG, and he obviously sees the flush just completed. Can we justify a call/shove by hoping he has 56d, 79d, or to a certain extent AA? Or do we fold b/c he has teh nutz?

Similar to Halv's post below but I think my villains line is WAY stronger.

Full Tilt Poker
$2/$4 No Limit Hold'em Ring Game
6 Players
http://www.legopoker.com/hh


UTG: $536
MP: $2192.15
CO: $680.40
BTN: $294
SB: $424.2
Hero (BB): $830

Preflop: 8d Td ($6, 6 players)
UTG raises to $14, MP calls $14, CO folds, BTN folds, SB folds, Hero calls $10

Flop: Ad 6h Jd ($44, 3 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $24, MP calls $24, Hero calls $24

Turn: Ad 6h Jd [3d] ($116, 3 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $52, MP folds, Hero raises to $164, UTG raises to $276, Hero ???

[Ravageur]

basically only one hand beats you that's in his range (KdQd). I think for less than 150 BBs folding the second nuts would be pretty insane when it's possible he's doing this with a set (though his line would make me think i'm beat when I shove, just close your eyes and do it).

[Miffed22001]

just close your eyes and do it

lol, so right

[Genitruc]

He can only have 1 hand here, as mentioned above.

Just stack off and go get a beer.

[IowaSkinsFan]

ur fucked, but ur too far in.

[sauce123]

no way u can fold this to an utg raiser when the Ad flopped- get it in as a big favorite. This is pretty simple imo

[Toadstool]

really? I think this is a fold. Villain is a good player - by your actions he must know you have a flush - so why is he raising you? he doesnt think your going to fold. A good villain would almost never raise with something thats not beating you here. Also, bet timing could also give a few clues.

TBH i think shoving is -EV here

[IowaSkinsFan]

You have to be losing here like 75% of the time and im not going to give those odds.

[zenbitz]

You have to be willing to stack off here if you call the frop.

[bigspenda73]

Are we hoping for what? AA or AxKd? If you think he is solid then you overcalling the flop has the make him believe you were on a flush draw. What sucks is the times you're ahead you're about a 3:1 to 4:1 favorite and when you're behind you're obv dead.

The only thing I can think of is that he has recognized MP's fishy ways as well and is opening up with a larger range to try and play more pots against him.

[Alexos]

Are we hoping for what? AA or AxKd? If you think he is solid then you overcalling the flop has the make him believe you were on a flush draw.

He might have thought I was on a flush draw on the flop, but he definitly knew that I had a flush on the turn. I reallly believe he would only do this with 79d, Q9d, K9d, or KQd. I dont think he's dumb enough to do this with a set or AKd. His line is so obvious, the only argument I have for calling is that he might have a lower flush, since he's laggy....If I was playing a tighter opponent (and not too aggressive) who'se play I respect, I think calling here is definitly -ev.

[sauce123]

i dont fold flushes to lags

[Halv]

i dont fold flushes to anyone

FYP, unless the board is paired obv. I can only remember wanting to fold a flush once and being correct about it. Can't even begin to count how many times I've puked and called, only to have the guy show me some crazee hand,

[Miffed22001]

why are we thinking of folding the second nuts in a raised pot with little money behind?