Good or Bad?

[Toadstool]

Quite like the idea of posting a few hands and getting some opinions on them - I'll try to just post interesting ones

Sorry about the format - not sure how to change it. - edited to make it easier to read.

1) Villain plays 22/13 and doesnt seem to be anything special - Had been playing with him for about 20 hands so far and I hadnt really played any notable hands.

GAME #510240542: Texas Hold'em NL $10.00/$20.00 2007-03-25 03:24:43
Table Emmitsburg
Seat 1: SirShankly ($1,950.00 in chips)
Seat 3: Dhara111 ($2,275.00 in chips)
Seat 5: helgul ($1,768.00 in chips)
Seat 6: JEF666 ($2,315.00 in chips)
Seat 8: JokerD1 ($642.50 in chips)
Seat 10: Ironroyal ($2,602.00 in chips) DEALER
SirShankly: Post SB $10.00
Dhara111: Post BB $20.00
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Dhara111 [5c 5d]
Dealt to SirShankly [X X]
helgul: Fold
JEF666: Fold
JokerD1: Fold
Ironroyal: Fold
SirShankly: Raise $66.00
Dhara111: Call $56.00
*** FLOP *** [Jd Ks 4s]
SirShankly: Bet $111.00
Dhara111: Call $111.00
*** TURN *** [4h]
SirShankly: Bet $255.00
Dhara111: Call $255.00
*** RIVER *** [Ah]
SirShankly: Bet $622.00
Dhara111: Call $622.00
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $2,125.00 Rake $3.00


2) Guy is 26/18 and extremely aggro post flop - He probably views me as being a standard TAG
GAME #506180558: Texas Hold'em NL $10.00/$20.00 2007-03-20 01:20:42
Table El Porvenir
Seat 1: JEF666 ($3,483.50 in chips)
Seat 3: 2eazy ($2,197.00 in chips)
Seat 5: Dhara111 ($2,148.00 in chips)
Seat 6: fitzy gt2 ($1,103.00 in chips) DEALER
Seat 8: zvaniz ($3,027.00 in chips)
Seat 10: JACQUEMARDE ($2,477.29 in chips)
zvaniz: Post SB $10.00
JACQUEMARDE: Post BB $20.00
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Dhara111 [10c 8c]
Dealt to JEF666 [X X]
JEF666: Call $20.00
2eazy: Raise $80.00
Dhara111: Call $80.00
fitzy gt2: Fold
zvaniz: Call $70.00
JACQUEMARDE: Fold
JEF666: Call $60.00
*** FLOP *** [9c 10h 4s]
zvaniz: Check
JEF666: Check
2eazy: Check
Dhara111: Bet $240.00
zvaniz: Fold
JEF666: Call $240.00
2eazy: Fold
*** TURN *** [5d]
JEF666: Check
Dhara111: Bet $450.00
JEF666: Call $450.00
*** RIVER *** [3d]
JEF666: Bet $1,480.00
Dhara111: Allin $1,378.00
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $4,575.00 Rake $3.00


3)This guy was 54/20 playing almost every hand - first time id been playing with him and so doubt he had any opinion on me

GAME #510245340: Texas Hold'em NL $10.00/$20.00 2007-03-25 03:33:20
Table El Porvenir
Seat 1: SirShankly ($2,164.00 in chips)
Seat 3: Ironroyal ($1,474.00 in chips)
Seat 6: BuzzLY ($4,329.75 in chips)
Seat 8: Dhara111 ($2,101.00 in chips) DEALER
Seat 10: helgul ($4,645.00 in chips)
helgul: Post SB $10.00
SirShankly: Post BB $20.00
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Dhara111 [5d 3d]
Dealt to BuzzLY [X X]
Ironroyal: Fold
BuzzLY: Call $20.00
Dhara111: Raise $100.00
helgul: Fold
SirShankly: Fold
BuzzLY: Call $80.00
*** FLOP *** [Kc Qc 4h]
BuzzLY: Check
Dhara111: Bet $170.00
BuzzLY: Call $170.00
*** TURN *** [2h]
BuzzLY: Check
Dhara111: Bet $400.00
BuzzLY: Call $400.00
*** RIVER *** [5h]
BuzzLY: Bet $440.00
Dhara111: Raise $1,431.00

4)Guy is very good TAG (20/15) I have played a lot with him and I dont think he thinks of me as very good. I have reraised him a couple of times in the last few orbits

GAME #505011905: Texas Hold'em NL $10.00/$20.00 2007-03-18 17:22:36
Table Nuoro
Seat 1: thea03 ($2,941.50 in chips)
Seat 3: KrossadChoklad ($6,090.64 in chips)
Seat 5: 2eazy ($2,220.50 in chips) DEALER
Seat 6: Dhara111 ($2,000.00 in chips)
Seat 8: charlieben ($765.12 in chips)
Seat 10: fatwhale ($5,333.44 in chips)
Dhara111: Post SB $10.00
charlieben: Post BB $20.00
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to 2eazy [X X]
Dealt to Dhara111 [Ah 9h]
fatwhale: Fold
thea03: Fold
KrossadChoklad: Fold
2eazy: Raise $80.00
Dhara111: Raise $270.00
charlieben: Fold
2eazy: Call $200.00
*** FLOP *** [Qc 9s 2s]
Dhara111: Bet $320.00
2eazy: Raise $1,940.50
Dhara111: Allin $1,400.00
*** TURN *** [9c]
*** RIVER *** [Jd]
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $4,287.50 Rake $-47.00


5) First time i'd played with this guy had about 20 hands on him seemed a tad loosish - he had C/R'd me a couple of hands ago on the flop where i folded.

GAME #510957141: Texas Hold'em NL $10.00/$20.00 2007-03-25 23:56:49
Table Emmitsburg
Seat 1: Dhara111 ($1,750.00 in chips)
Seat 3: NoHome ($3,083.00 in chips)
Seat 5: Svalle1 ($117.00 in chips) DEALER
Seat 6: dorko ($4,848.00 in chips)
Seat 8: EVILSHARK ($1,950.00 in chips)
Seat 10: PandaEatsBambu ($1,904.00 in chips)
dorko: Post SB $10.00
EVILSHARK: Post BB $20.00
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Dhara111 [Ks Jd]
Dealt to dorko [X X]
PandaEatsBambu: Fold
Dhara111: Raise $70.00
NoHome: Fold
Svalle1: Fold
dorko: Call $60.00
EVILSHARK: Fold
*** FLOP *** [7c 6c 4d]
dorko: Check
Dhara111: Bet $120.00
dorko: Raise $270.00
Dhara111: Call $150.00
*** TURN *** [As]
dorko: Bet $560.00
Dhara111: Raise $1,410.00
dorko: Call $850.00
*** RIVER *** [2d]
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $3,517.00 Rake $3.00

[ilikeaces86]

WTF? I cant read those HH's

[Irisheyes]

Hand 1 you should fold preflop. He D and C of fives just isn't strong enough to call a raise.

[IowaSkinsFan]

Hand 1 you should fold preflop. He D and C of fives just isn't strong enough to call a raise.

Considering that there's a big chance this is a joke, toadstool, i'd consider cleaning up this HH.

[phantom_lord]

ipoker hh suck.

at least change it to 5c5d, Kd Js...etc

[Phantaroth]

Uhhhh.. I don't play high stakes but these don't look like good plays to me. They look like you are giving away free monies unless you have sick hand reading skills.

[pocketfours]

Good or bad? Lol, it's all goooood! Very interesting, thanks for posting these.

Hard to comment much without the knowing the atmosphere on the tables, but I will try to guess what villain had.

Hand #1 Villain is trying to represent a four, but he probably has a draw (QT or spades) or nothing. I would have folded on the turn, but probably called the river bet with the given odds. Bad beat against QT here?

Hand #2 Not very interesting, you probably won against QJ or lost to a flopped set.

Hand #3 On the river villain makes a blocking bet or is inducing a bluff (you are beat here in either case). I like to pounce on river blockers too sometimes, and calling would have been wrong. VWP since folding is clearly not an option for you If he thinks (or knows) what kind of lunatic you are, then he could have called and you could still have won.

Hand #4 This one is hard to read. You either won against an overpair or spade draw (perhaps with the queen), or then he hit the river and you lost against jacks full

Hand #5 You might have won against 8c9c here, but your turn bluff was pretty obvious to me. I'm guessing you lost against a flopped top pair of sevens.

How did I do? 1/5 at least?

[Toadstool]

1) blind vs blind his range is extremel wide - pretty much a no-brainer call for me here, i dont want to raise and not get any more value out of weaker hands, plus I have position so dont mind playing postflop.
On the flop he would cbet every time. the fact that he just didnt really think about the amount he bet lead me to believe I had the best hand here. It was just standard bet every time - especially with the draws out there I just got the feeling he didnt really have a lot of interest in the hand.

On the turn, he wouldnt bet made hands less than Kx or 4x and it was a pretty small bet realtive to the pot which would be a mistake if he did have a good made hand as there are so many draws I could possibly have and he is giving me odds, therefore i think its more likely hes the one on a draw.

river comes an ace - hes definately not betting AsXs or a K for value here as I think he thought I had a draw and Q10 is a big part of my range - I thought - He would either have air or a FH here and possibly Q10. But with the weak feeling i got from the flop I thought air took up most of his range.
Anyway I called he had A4 for the full house.


2)Pretty easy decision here based on the fact he limp/called preflop I cant put him on 99/1010. 44 would raise at least on the turn to protect from JQ, cant really think of any hand he could have that had me beat.
He had KJ

3)On the turn there are 2 flush draws and a straight draw - C/C on that board and his range is so widely skewed towards draws with a couple of weak K's and Q's. he bets so small on the river after having shown no real strength - I think he folds almost all his hands here down to about K10 and his range is so wide he doesnt have better than K10 very often here.

4)I know he knows I dont really like to play big pots against good players, with the overbet AI makes me think he wants me to fold and he is semibluffing with AsXs or J10, anyway I got lucky as he had AQ wp him.

5)The one thing that really stood out to me on this hand was the very small C/R on the flop with so many draws out there he would want to protect a made hand a.k.a a set so can rule out made hands there, apart from maybe 45/56. continues to lead strongly when the ace comes - this gave me the impression he wanted me to fold what he believed to be my weak overpair on the flop. I raise him in and he calls with 10c9c and misses.

[pocketfours]

1) Classic example of not knowing where you are when you are just calling. With a read that opponent was weak, which he was, I would have raise-folded the flop. I think your call on the flop says "I'm pretty weak, but so are you". He was indeed weak, but it was easy play for him when his hand improved.

2) I don't understand his call on the turn. He of course decided already then to bluff on the river, but with that board I don't specially like the play. The river was not a scare card either. Nice call.

3) Agree, VWP.

4) If you are going to call an all-in on the flop, isn't it better to just push this flop or make a big bet, instead of making a smallish cbet? I would probably have folded AQ to a very big cbet.

5) Lol, WP!

[IowaSkinsFan]

The fact that most of the good HS players on this forum aren't responding tells me that my instincts are correct and pretty much all of these are complete spews.

[pocketfours]

The fact that most of the good HS players on this forum aren't responding tells me that my instincts are correct and pretty much all of these are complete spews.

Good 4U.

Why the attitude? Spews or not, trying to push someone off a hand is a very important skill to master and a very interesting topic (here pushing is viewed from both the bettor's and the caller's perspective, a very good post). I don't see here any reason to just dismiss these plays...

I personally think that hand #3 is a world class move, but that's just my humble opinion.

Hand #1 I don't like, hero should have bet or raised on cheaper streets to gain more information. However, this was also a good read. Classic situation: villain had either nothing or a monster, and since he was betting every hand, a monster seemed unlikely. The read was good, but the counter play was bad.

Hand #2 Here it is villain spewing. This would be a good play with a flopped set, but why show weakness and then bluff on a safe card? Cmon, this was a good call! VWP! This shows how easy it is to make money in HS sometimes with very good reading skills.

Hand #3 VWP as mentioned.

Hand #4 I don't like this play at all. Villain might have had a big draw, and even against a draw, the call is very marginal. In a reraised pot like this, the call is even more marginal. The preflop reraise was also bad with A9, because it is dominated by most of villains calling range. Ace-rag is the worst hand to reraise preflop imho (suited is of course better though).

Hand #5, WP, pounding against a min-raiser is very often a good play and here it worked out beautifully. The problem is that a min-raise is a good way to induce a bluff (make a small mistake to induce a bigger one, thank you Sklansky).

[Toadstool]

I agree #4 is spewy - I'm either way behind or flipping. But that aside I think these are decent, obviously I dont play like this every pot I play, but there wouldnt be much point posting standard hands. Anyway thx to those who replied. I'm just trying to give something back to the site which has taught me so much.

[pocketfours]

I agree #4 is spewy - I'm either way behind or flipping. But that aside I think these are decent, obviously I dont play like this every pot I play, but there wouldnt be much point posting standard hands. Anyway thx to those who replied. I'm just trying to give something back to the site which has taught me so much.

Thanks for the post. I don't get the attitude against new members here. If someone plays 2000NL and is interested in posting here, they should feel priviledged! No wonder so few HS players post here.

FTR, get your act together...

[biondino]

Toadstool, I love the reasoning you give (other S players may have other views - indeed I hope they do as it'll make the discussion even better). As someone who is just about getting the hang of $100NL, it's interesting to see one or two levels more thinking going into your play, and how accurate or otherwise this levelling was (fair to say you got levelled yourself in the first hand, but the explanation behind your thinking on 3 and 5 in particular is very enlightening).

ISF, one of the things about this forum is that the players explain their thinking. I'm sure your "instinct" is excellent at $100 but can you really believe you know what you're talking about here?