Squeeze play

[JL]

Villain is unkown, but his line screams mid PP.
C-bet here?

GAME #530389965: Texas Hold'em NL $2.00/$4.00 2007-04-18 00:40:58
Table Dali
Seat 1: thenwhat ($454.90 in chips) DEALER
Seat 3: KatieVick ($397.47 in chips)
Seat 5: JL37 ($779.95 in chips)
Seat 6: BettySweaver ($257.26 in chips)
Seat 8: 6Soyunperdedor6 ($307.40 in chips)
Seat 10: GypsieQueen ($416.40 in chips)
KatieVick: Post SB $2.00
JL37: Post BB $4.00
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to JL37 9 9
BettySweaver: Fold
6Soyunperdedor6: Raise $16.00
GypsieQueen: Call $16.00
thenwhat: Fold
KatieVick: Fold
JL37: Raise $62.00
6Soyunperdedor6: Fold
GypsieQueen: Call $50.00
*** FLOP *** K 4 Q
JL37??????

[Genitruc]

Yeah go and bluff out 1010 JJ on the flop here.

If I were you I'd bet 1/2 pot since it could look like you have a set and want action.

Also it'll cost much less when he has QQ/KK/AA.

[Numbr2intheWorld]

This is almost always JJ-88 here it's great.

[gabe]

bet like 75-80

[JL]

Ok, good to know I'm not spewing by betting here.

[phantom_lord]

standard c-bet? sucks when u get called tho!

[JL]

standard c-bet? sucks when u get called tho!

Yes. Sucks when villain pushes too!

[IowaSkinsFan]

standard c-bet? sucks when u get called tho!

Yes. Sucks when villain pushes too!

FYP

[JL]

When villain pushes this is good??

[phantom_lord]

i rather he pushed than callled

[sauce123]

its not a std cbet but its narrowly +ev against villains range imo

[gabe]

how is not a std cbet

[sauce123]

cause we have a hand where if its checked down we have a reasonable chance to be good and if we bet and are raised we have to fold and villain probably shoves all in with AQ KQ JT any spade draw KJ KT AK 44 and any gutshots/air he decides to randomly shove with but is kind of unlikely because of texture...

[sauce123]

what im saying is it turns a hand with some marginal sd value into a bluff- and a pretty costly one at that. Even so, I think its the right play to cbet, but 1/2 pot seems a lot better than 3/4 or full pot.

[c-luvin]

i disagree i think this is a pretty standard cbet sauce, since when can we check down an underpair OOP for value?
i like the 1/2 pot bet too because we dont lose many monies if he has a hand or are raised and it still looks strong
although do you think we can fold out AQ or random Qx with more than 1/2 pot? it might be worth it

[sauce123]

I try to check down hands like this sometimes if his range is heavily weighted towards small pairs- and then if i do the rest of the night I 3bet and bluff him mercilessly...

[zenbitz]

i disagree i think this is a pretty standard cbet sauce, since when can we check down an underpair OOP for value?

When we are winning anyway (villain has 22-88, some suited connecting nonsense).

Let's say villain calls twice with 22-AA (yeah, I would assume he 4 bets AA/KK *usually* - but he doesn't need to because he closes out the action pre-flop - and if you are 3-betting lite calling here with AA is kinda cool).

Ignoring the 99 chop, you beat 7 pairs, fold 2 you beat (TT/JJ), and spew the other 3 times.

Assuming he always folds 22-JJ, your bet has some EV because he has TT/JJ more often than AA-KK. It's not very much EV because he be playing a K or Q badly, or float you because you're re-raising light or something.

For metagame, you have to lead this flop a bunch if you are re-raising light, no?

[gabe]

I try to check down hands like this sometimes if his range is heavily weighted towards small pairs- and then if i do the rest of the night I 3bet and bluff him mercilessly...

checking it down is good when the pot isnt so big because its easier to snap off a bluff that way