AA, lots of money behind...

[Miffed22001]

Im posting without reads to start with, ill include them once i get some feedback on the hand in a vacuum.
Only info is that its a non-US site and there are some major differences between US and non-US games.

Mansion 100nl Full ring (9 handed)

$0.50/$1 Hold'em
Hand start time: 2007-05-03 23:00:15

Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players: 9
Seat 1: bodyloverxxx(99.00)
Seat 2: Ferguson(100.00)
Seat 3: masseman(52.20)
Seat 4: pokehigh(122.65)
Seat 5: lfkick(202.41)
Seat 6: hathaway123(78.19)
Seat 7: fanicate(392.25)
Seat 8: Hero(122.15)
Seat 9: Hvam_DK(151.44)

bodyloverxxx posts small blind (0.50)
masseman posts big blind (1)
Hero is dealt down :As: :Ac:
pokehigh folds
lfkick times out and folds
fanicate says: "zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz"
hathaway123 times out and folds
fanicate calls (1)
Hero raises to (5)
Hvam_DK calls (5)
bodyloverxxx folds
masseman folds
fanicate calls (5)
flop:

fanicate checks
Hero checks
Hvam_DK bets (9)
fanicate calls (9)
Hero raises to (35)
Hvam_DK raises to (146.44) and is all-in
fanicate calls (146.44)
Hero says: "lol"
Hero??????

[zook]

Blech. You have to put them both on overpairs or draws to make this a call. If either has a set or str8, you're screwed. In a vacuum I definitely fold this. Fanicate's limp call and call of the deepstack flop push says set (although his flop flat call doesn't). I guess if both guys are terrible I might call here, but otherwise it isn't really close.

[sejje]

One of the easier folds I've seen posted in a while.

What hand does fanicate have here that we can beat?

[LeFou]

Best case scenario (one vill with diamonds and one with a 6) you're only pulling down about a third of these. What's the debate?

-------
Ad 2d
5h 6h
As Ac

Ad 2d 336 37.21 555 61.46 12 1.33 0.377
6h 5h 265 29.35 626 69.32 12 1.33 0.298
As Ac 290 32.12 601 66.56 12 1.33

[zook]

Agreed LeFou but that's a ++EV call cause he's getting 3.5:1 on his money and is only a 2:1 dog. If these guys are both fish and like to gambool, it's a semi-tough decision.

[Gritho]

EDIT: Stupid post ... haven't seen he has already $35 raised

@ hand:
I'll fold vs. unknown for the reasons posted before.

[Miffed22001]

Ok, responses as expected.
Now some reads:
Hvam_dk has been jumping between $50 and $150 for the last two hours. He tries to play good, but plays too many hands and takes them to far. He slow plays sets and hasnt got all in on a flop with a set yet that ive seen (hes still felting a set when obvious draws complete)
Hes probably 28-35/5 with a medium agg frequency.

Fanicate is 50/15 and is playing almost every hand. Notes are that he likes to gambOOl and is limping with any Ax/Axs sc's and any remotly Kxs/Qxs type hands.

Ok, now does this actually change anything considering i dont think they play anything but a draw, a combo draw and a pair+draw this fast...

My arguement is that getting 3.5 to 1 on my money i cant fold if i pokerstove the huge amount of hands they coukld possibly have.

Id pokerstove it this way. But anyone who wants to do a different range is open to.

Board: 4c 5d 7d
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 41.127% 39.21% 01.91% 12339899 601894.50 { KK-44, Ad8d, 9d8d, 8d7d, 86s, 74s+, 63s+, 54s, 86o, 74o+, 63o+, 54o }
Hand 1: 29.602% 29.03% 00.57% 9134426 180726.00 { AA }
Hand 2: 29.271% 27.36% 01.91% 8608364 602434.50 { TT-44, Ad8d, 9d8d, 8d7d, 75s+, 65s, 54s }

[zook]

If you think they always slowplay sets and str8s here it's an EASY call. That's quite a read though.

[Miffed22001]

Miff thinks theyre bad and is getting 3:1 on his call with aces...

[zook]

Plus, calling's more fun than folding. And not enough people take that into account.

[Miffed22001]

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