OPERATION: 600 in 60****COMPLETED IN 24 DAYS

[gabe]

I want to be playing 1/2 limit in a couple months, so I need a BR of 600 in 60 days. Thats my plan.

Right now I am building my BR and gaining lots of experience my bonus whoring for jeff. In my first 477 hands, here are my stats:

VPIP: 21.89
PFR: 8.60

Agression -
oFlop: 2.59
oTurn:1.50
oRover: 1.71
Total: 1.96

Coldcalls: 0
Went to SD: 32.58
W$SD: 30.23
BB/100: -16.50 (ouch)
Total BB: -77 (ouuch)

Of course there must be leaks, but I do think I have not gotten the best of cards (it is not even 500 hands). I think I need to continue getting about the same numbers just with more wins at showdown and a positive BB/100.

[elipsesjeff]

Went to SD: 32.58
W$SD: 30.23
BB/100: -16.50 (ouch)
Total BB: -77 (ouuch)

OUCH, those W$SD is horrible, you must either be getting some bad beats or showing down at the wrong times.

You are on a pretty bad swing here, but I'm sure you'll keep it up.

Good luck, you are taking your first step in improvement: setting goals.

[|~|ypermegachi]

VPIP: 21.89

i hope you aren't playing full ring with a stat like that....
otherwise it just looks like you're on a bad run

[elipsesjeff]

VPIP: 21.89

i hope you aren't playing full ring with a stat like that....
otherwise it just looks like you're on a bad run

Yeah, a little loosy goosy, but its only 500 hands. PT still has him autorated as Tight Aggressive though.

I did the math, If you could bring this down to 15% for the time being it would save you:

6.89% * 500 *.25 = $8.61, or 19 BB per 500 Hands.

Thats a big savings of almost 4 BB/100 if you could drop that VP$IP 6%.

[gabe]

You are on a pretty bad swing here, but I'm sure you'll keep it up.

uh....isn't that a bad thing?

[elipsesjeff]

Yup

I'll stop spamming your operation now.

You are on a pretty bad swing here, but I'm sure you'll keep it up.

Hahaha! Sounds like one of my Dad's pep talks in football (soccer) matches.

Oh and also, go Gabe!

[Brodie]

Is 15% too low? I've been targeting 17-18%, but perhaps I'm not calibrated properly...

[elipsesjeff]

Is 15% too low? I've been targeting 17-18%, but perhaps I'm not calibrated properly...

Depends on how tight you want to play. I think to start off with 15% is good, and as you get better slowly add more hands in to increase it up to 17%.

Mine is around 17.5%

[Brodie]

Must get tighter, must get tighter.

I'm at ~16.5 for the last several days (500 hands or so), so I'm getting better. I'm trying to get my overall down from something horrible like 24%. I need a lot more hands of tight play to make up for how loose I was in the beginning (I love how PokerTraker can track your learning curve, too!).

[gabe]

i dont think mine is too high considering the limit. i get enough multiway pots where i think can call marginal hands.

[|~|ypermegachi]

i dont think mine is too high considering the limit. i get enough multiway pots where i think can call marginal hands.

i think it's more important that you are winning before you start loosening up

[Fnord]

i think it's more important that you are winning before you start loosening up

edit: The more I play the tigher and more aggressive I seem to get. You learn more spots where hands like AQ are no good.

[elipsesjeff]

The more I play the looser I seem to get. You learn more spots where hands like AQ are no good.

And where a small pocket pair is.

[elipsesjeff]

Some hints for you to start tightening up more:

Stop playing Qxs. Dont play this hand unless all 10 players are in the flop and you are on the button. Still call if on SB though, as per usual. These suited hands will drain a lot of money out of you.

Stop playing your small PP (22-66) from Early Position, its still okay to call with them from MP though. Don't play these hands from LP if no one else is in the pot. If you are the CO or the button, you can try to blind steal, but otherwise fold. You want a lot of players to see the flop so when you actually do hit your set, you can build the pot up quite nicely. These are actually the easiest to play. Stop check/calling down to the river with these also in multiway pots. Chances are, if there is 1 bettor and 1 caller, one of them usually has a higher pair than you; it is not worth the extra bet, as the pot is usually small in this case.

Stop playing weak broadway cards like KTo from early position. I saw you raise with KTo from middle position, thats VERY aggressive, in a loose game, just call. KTo and QJo are very easily dominated and if you play these hands from EP and a person on your left raises you, theres a chance you are already dominated. You'll get a feel when you should play these hands the more you play them.

Make sure you connected cards are suited as well, before you play them.

[gabe]

up to the minute stats! :

975 Hands
22.36 VPIP
amount won -5.08 (-10BB)
BB/100 = -1.04
WtoSD 33.81
W$@SD = 40.0
PFR = 9.44
Agg = 2.23

i made alot of my initial loss back, and i KNOW my post flop play is getting better.

[Fnord]

Stop playing your small PP (22-66) from Early Position, its still okay to call with them from MP though.

In a good loose passive game 22-66 is an easy limp. In any game it's not much worse than break even. In a REALLY good loose passive game I'll start limping medium Axs. Similar thoughts with KTs, QTs, JTs...

Stop playing weak broadway cards like KTo from early position. I saw you raise with KTo from middle position, thats VERY aggressive, in a loose game, just call.

KJo, QJo - Last 4 positions
KTo, QTo, JTo - CO/Button

Open raise or limp behind. Sometimes muck behind a tight raiser. Sometimes raise behind a really bad limper (particularly if the blinds are tight.)

I stopped playing pre-flop via a chart a long time ago...

[Fnord]

Depends on how tight you want to play. I think to start off with 15% is good, and as you get better slowly add more hands in to increase it up to 17%.

It also depends on the table.

If some idiot is mashing raise at every chance pre-flop you need to tighten up overall. If it's a loose/passive limpfest then you can play a lot more hands getting a cheap flop and/or crap hands protecting your equity when a monster raises. If it's a tight table or tight with 1-2 live ones, you're actually playing an extra hand here and there from the last 4 positions in an effort to isolate/steal the blinds and/or bad players.

[gabe]

today i played alot and made some money (i'm in the black now!)

520 Hands
18.46 VPIP
Amount won $16 (32 BB)
5.13 BB/100
went to SD 43, W$SD, 48
PFR 11.35
2.31 Average Agg
F 2.21
T 3.16
R 1.84

numbers are improving and so are the results.

[elipsesjeff]

I stopped playing pre-flop via a chart a long time ago...

You've also been playing LHE for 9 months or so and know how to play a hand in every situation.

Gabe, on the other hand, has very little experience playing and starting out tight and working looser is a lot easier than starting looser and trying to cut out hands.

I'm trying to cut his VP$IP down, sometimes its difficult to tell at the microlimits which ones are the passive and which ones are the aggressive ones, even though they are all loose.

[Fnord]

Gabe, on the other hand, has very little experience playing and starting out tight and working looser is a lot easier than starting looser and trying to cut out hands.

Yeah, I'm just saying it's more important to know why the charts are a given way and why good players make certain pre-flop decisions than to play by any chart after you've learned the basics of the game.

[gabe]

My last 1000 hands:

VPIP: 19.3%
PFR: 9.9%
Amout lost: $1.19
BB/100: .24
Agression: 1.91 (not good enough!)

Went to showdown: 41%
Won at showdowm: 44%

eh, break even pretty much. I think I might be calling down when I know I am beat a little too often.

[Sed]

Went to showdown: 41
Won at showdowm: 44

huh?

- sed

[BoondockSaint]

i think he is saying he won 44 out of 85 and lost 41 out of 85.

[Sed]

or his numbers were flipped and he's got an insane win rate at showdown
41/44 = 93% Wow....

going to showdown 85/1000 seems high to me...

- sed

[elipsesjeff]

Both of you are retards....especially Boondock.

Went to showdown is the percentage of how often you go to showdown if you see the flop. Won at showdown is the perentage you actually won at showdown when you do see a showdown.

It looks like you are taking too many hands to the river and showing them down and not giving them up when you are beat. You do that, and your W$SD will increase too.

[BoondockSaint]

lol ha i guess I should read. I wasnt paying attention close enough and just figured thats what it was. Elipse if u dont know there is a sweet empire reload comin around. dont forget this time.

[Brodie]

What's a good target for W$SD? With 2195 limit hands in my database I'm at 52.17. On track or too low?

[Sed]

Both of you are retards....especially Boondock.

Thats kinda harsh, jackass...

-sed

[BoondockSaint]

lol trust me 99% of that retard was aimed at me if it makes you feel any better

[Sed]

Maybe if I'd ever used PT or there was a % in the text I might have figured it out... Or I'm just slow...

- sed

[elipsesjeff]

What's a good target for W$SD? With 2195 limit hands in my database I'm at 52.17. On track or too low?

Thats a pretty good W$SD. Mine is aroung 55% at 2/4.

for Went to SD you want around 33% or so.

[Brodie]

I swear, I'm not lying:

Went to SD: 32.97%

Looks like I'm practicing what this forum preaches.

[gabe]

these are the stats from my first 1,837 hands that i have loaded into PT.

VPIP: 18.89
PFR: 9.53%
Amout lost: $1.59
BB/100: -.17
Agression: 2.01

Went to showdown: 40%
Won at showdowm: 42%

Lots of hands, but no real profit, which I don't think is bad if i am clearing a bonus. The good news is PT has me default rated as an eagle now that I have my agression above 2, which I am still trying to get higher.

[elipsesjeff]

As you keep getting that VPIP down, your other numbers will go up.

Your showdown %s are still low, but you're gettin better.

[gabe]

i'm up to .5/1 and have played about 250 hands of it so far. thats not really enough to post stats, but i have won almost 45bb already !

[elipsesjeff]

Good Job

[gabe]

these are the numbers from all my .5/1 games so far:

587 hands
vpip: 23
PFR: 13.63
Amount won: $109
BB/11: 18.57

Went to SD%: 47
Won $ at SD%: 51.22
Att to Steal Blinds: 31%
Steal Success:
Ww/oSD%: 69%
W$SD%: 50%

Agression:
F 3.5
T 2.5
R 1.65
Total: 2.58

the looseness i ascribe to some full games that went shorthanded when i was too lazy to change tables. i KNOW that is way too high for a full ring game.

[gabe]

finished clearing bonus at tgc and i now have 1/3 of my goal completed. next stop is bonus at interpoker, here are my numbers in the first 271 hands of $1/2:

VPIP%: 17.67%
PFR%: 9.15%
WSD%: 40%
W$SD%: 53%
Agg: 3.88
Amount Lost: $7.25
BB/100: -1.14
Coldcalls: 0

[gabe]

I am going to college tomorrow, which means a different computer, which means this data won't be kept up anymore. Here are my stats from 1/2 on Interpoker.

Hands 1196
VPIP: 22.58
PFR: 11.29
Agression
F: 4.75
T: 3.8
R: 2.6
Total: 3.74
Amount won: $118.50
bb/100: 4.95
Went to SD: 47%
Won $ at SD: 52.50

The high VPIP and the good showdowns numbers I think are because I had a really nice runof cards in the middle 500 hands or so. I am doing much better and I know I have improved significantly since I started this thread a little over two weeks ago. In terms of BR, I am about halfway to my goal in half the time expected.

[gabe]

operation is finished! i just won a random $10 limit SNG to put me at $621 in 24 days. My goal was 60 days, which was far surpassed. I had been playing some 1/2 to clear some bonuses, so this won't be my first taste of it, but it feels better to have the BR for it.

[elipsesjeff]

congrats, you keep going like this, you'll be playing 2/4 before hyper....

[gabe]

thanks

[midas06]

best bump evar

[theDEEPdish]

congragulations gabe given 5/10 a shot yet LOL

[gabe]

i love bumping this one

"i'm up to .5/1 and have played about 250 hands of it so far. thats not really enough to post stats, but i have won almost 45bb already !"

[bode]

quality bump.

how long did you play limit before switching over to NL?

[Kauf Jr.]

This is brilliant

The good news is PT has me default rated as an eagle now

[Kauf Jr.]

Btw make a new operation thread!

[gabe]

quality bump.

how long did you play limit before switching over to NL?

like 5 6 7 months, i dont. was playing tournaments for about 6 more before full switch to cash. i actually used to be pretty good at tournaments.

[givememyleg]

The good news is PT has me default rated as an eagle now

lol I absolutely love this quote.

[dsmrolla06]

like 5 6 7 months, i dont. was playing tournaments for about 6 more before full switch to cash. i actually used to be pretty good at tournaments.

omg, i used to play tournaments too and just switched to cash. Maybe i can follow in your foot steps...

[Harry]

Wow, Jeff is always the one giving ballers their starts.