SSII, laggy experiment

[gingerwizard]

So after reading doyle's NL section of SSII I thought id try playing in the style he advocates. Normally im a steady 15/8 TAGG, but today I really tried to Lagg it up. Finished 2 shortish sessions (break for dinner) 5 buyins up and was needless to say quite pleased with that. I had a lot of fun doing it which is quite an important point.

Take a look at some of the hands, results often included so as to show the ups and downs of the style. Comment on the style if you wish, or on my implementation/interpretation of the brunson style if you have read the book.

I should be noted that you win A LOT of pots without contest doing this, even multiway ones i wouldnt normally bet at!

Here goes

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EverestPoker Game #1603100115: Table Doha-35 - $0,000.25/$0,000.50 - No Limit Hold'em - 18:02:39 - 2007/05/31
Seat 1: GingerW1zard ($0,048.50)
Seat 2: maxibar ($0,017.65)
Seat 3: Mr.Kali ($0,025.00)
Seat 4: cloclo68 ($0,095.70)
Seat 5: Allfield ($0,069.10)
Seat 6: jullius ($0,050.00)
maxibar posts the small blind of $0,000.25
Mr.Kali posts the big blind of $0,000.50
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to GingerW1zard[:Ad: :Kd:]
cloclo68 calls $0,000.50
Allfield calls $0,000.50
GingerW1zard raises to $0,003.00
maxibar folds
Mr.Kali folds
cloclo68 folds
Allfield calls $0,002.50
*** FLOP *** [ ]
Allfield checks
GingerW1zard bets $0,004.00
Allfield calls $0,004.00
*** TURN *** [ ] [:Qc:]
Allfield checks
GingerW1zard bets $0,008.00
Allfield raises to $0,016.00
GingerW1zard calls $0,008.00
*** RIVER *** [ :Qc:] []
Allfield bets $0,046.10 and is all-in
GingerW1zard calls $0,025.50 and is all-in
Uncalled bet of $0,020.60 returned to Allfield
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Allfield shows [:Ac: ]
GingerW1zard shows [:Ad: :Kd:]
GingerW1zard collects $0,096.25

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EverestPoker Game #1603834453: Table Berlin-30 - $0,000.25/$0,000.50 - No Limit Hold'em - 20:06:13 - 2007/05/31
Seat 1: latin26 ($0,022.35)
Seat 2: GingerW1zard ($0,057.90)
Seat 3: JavoRamos ($0,054.90)
Seat 4: -ROLEX-01- ($0,026.90)
Seat 5: coeurloup ($0,049.75)
Seat 7: zouille76 ($0,017.62)
Seat 8: andreag ($0,005.00)
Seat 9: penorama ($0,055.90)
Seat 10: bibi66po ($0,020.15)
zouille76 posts the small blind of $0,000.25
andreag posts the big blind of $0,000.50
The button is in seat #5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to GingerW1zard[:Ah: :Ac:]
penorama folds
bibi66po calls $0.50
latin26 calls $0.50
GingerW1zard raises to $3.00
JavoRamos calls $3.00
-ROLEX-01- folds
coeurloup folds
zouille76 folds
andreag folds
bibi66po calls $2.50
latin26 calls $2.50
*** FLOP *** [:Kc: :Kd:]
bibi66po checks
latin26 checks
GingerW1zard bets $8.00
JavoRamos calls $8.00
bibi66po folds
latin26 folds
*** TURN *** [:Kc: :Kd:] []
GingerW1zard checks
JavoRamos bets $10.00
GingerW1zard calls $10.00
*** RIVER *** [Kc :Kd: ] []
GingerW1zard bets $36.90 and is all-in
JavoRamos folds

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EverestPoker Game #1603089921: Table Doha-35 - $0,000.25/$0,000.50 - No Limit Hold'em - 18:00:42 - 2007/05/31
Seat 1: GingerW1zard ($0,054.85)
Seat 2: maxibar ($0,016.80)
Seat 4: cloclo68 ($0,078.10)
Seat 5: Allfield ($0,069.60)
Allfield posts the small blind of $0,000.25
GingerW1zard posts the big blind of $0,000.50
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to GingerW1zard[:Js: :Jd:]
maxibar calls $0,000.50
cloclo68 calls $0,000.50
Allfield calls $0,000.25
GingerW1zard raises to $0,003.50
maxibar folds
cloclo68 calls $0,003.00
Allfield folds
*** FLOP *** [ :Qd:]
GingerW1zard bets $0,005.00
cloclo68 calls $0,005.00
*** TURN *** [ :Qd:] []
GingerW1zard bets $0,010.00
cloclo68 calls $0,010.00
*** RIVER *** [ :Qd: ] []
GingerW1zard checks
cloclo68 checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
GingerW1zard shows [:Js: :Jd:]
cloclo68 shows [:Jh: :Qs:]
cloclo68 collects $0,036.10

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EverestPoker Game #1603106715: Table Doha-35 - $0,000.25/$0,000.50 - No Limit Hold'em - 18:03:51 - 2007/05/31
Seat 1: GingerW1zard ($0,096.25)
Seat 2: maxibar ($0,017.40)
Seat 3: Mr.Kali ($0,024.50)
Seat 4: cloclo68 ($0,095.20)
Seat 5: Allfield ($0,020.60)
Seat 6: jullius ($0,050.00)
Mr.Kali posts the small blind of $0,000.25
cloclo68 posts the big blind of $0,000.50
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to GingerW1zard[:Js: :Qc:]
Allfield folds
GingerW1zard raises to $0,002.00
maxibar folds
Mr.Kali folds
cloclo68 calls $0,001.50
*** FLOP *** [ :Ts: ]
cloclo68 checks
GingerW1zard bets $0,003.00
cloclo68 calls $0,003.00
*** TURN *** [ :Ts: ] [:Kd:]
cloclo68 checks
GingerW1zard bets $0,009.00
cloclo68 calls $0,009.00
*** RIVER *** [ :Ts: :Kd:] [:Tc:]
cloclo68 checks
GingerW1zard bets $0,010.00
cloclo68 calls $0,010.00
*** SHOW DOWN ***
GingerW1zard collects $0,046.25

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EverestPoker Game #1603043015: Table Berlin-4 - $0,000.25/$0,000.50 - No Limit Hold'em - 17:52:01 - 2007/05/31
Seat 1: kriskotte ($0,013.90)
Seat 2: Racdaypoke ($0,004.00)
Seat 3: GingerW1zard ($0,054.10)
Seat 4: vendetta ($0,049.15)
Seat 5: Ze_Gnome ($0,074.45)
Seat 6: phutures.com ($0,047.00)
Seat 7: kenta081 ($0,062.90)
Seat 9: Meister ($0,026.70)
Seat 10: Ratatuya ($0,043.65)
kriskotte posts the small blind of $0,000.25
Racdaypoke posts the big blind of $0,000.50
The button is in seat #10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to GingerW1zard[:Qs: :Tc:]
GingerW1zard calls $0,000.50
vendetta folds
Ze_Gnome folds
phutures.com folds
kenta081 folds
Meister folds
Ratatuya raises to $0,002.25
kriskotte folds
Racdaypoke folds
GingerW1zard raises to $0,006.50
Ratatuya folds
Uncalled bet of $0,004.25 returned to GingerW1zard
*** SHOW DOWN ***
GingerW1zard mucks
*** SUMMARY ***
GingerW1zard collects $0,005.25

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EverestPoker Game #1603329407: Table Doha-35 - $0,000.25/$0,000.50 - No Limit Hold'em - 18:44:21 - 2007/05/31
Seat 1: GingerW1zard ($0,108.95)
Seat 2: spirre ($0,050.00)
Seat 3: Mr.Kali ($0,035.10)
Seat 4: cloclo68 ($0,094.90)
Seat 5: werderpoker ($0,061.65)
Seat 6: jullius ($0,050.30)
cloclo68 posts the small blind of $0,000.25
werderpoker posts the big blind of $0,000.50
spirre posts $0,000.50
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to GingerW1zard[:Jh: :Th:]
jullius raises to $0,002.50
GingerW1zard calls $0,002.50
spirre folds
Mr.Kali calls $0,002.50
cloclo68 folds
werderpoker folds
*** FLOP *** [ :Td:]
jullius checks
GingerW1zard bets $0,005.00
Mr.Kali folds
jullius folds
Uncalled bet of $0,005.00 returned to GingerW1zard
*** SHOW DOWN ***
GingerW1zard mucks
*** SUMMARY ***
Board: [3d 5c Td ]
GingerW1zard collects $0,008.35

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EverestPoker Game #1603054178: Table Berlin-10 - $0,000.25/$0,000.50 - No Limit Hold'em - 17:54:06 - 2007/05/31
Seat 1: Johnsan ($0,042.64)
Seat 2: wgbrob1 ($0,118.05)
Seat 3: cappuccino39 ($0,035.00)
Seat 4: re866 ($0,009.25)
Seat 5: pakun ($0,108.30)
Seat 6: mauser188 ($0,076.45)
Seat 7: ibox777 ($0,027.55)
Seat 8: GingerW1zard ($0,064.25)
Seat 10: Ramano ($0,077.10)
pakun posts the small blind of $0,000.25
mauser188 posts the big blind of $0,000.50
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to GingerW1zard[ :Ts:]
ibox777 folds
GingerW1zard calls $0,000.50
Ramano folds
Johnsan folds
wgbrob1 folds
cappuccino39 raises to $0,002.25
re866 folds
pakun folds
mauser188 calls $0,001.75
GingerW1zard calls $0,001.75
*** FLOP *** [ ]
mauser188 checks
GingerW1zard checks
cappuccino39 bets $0,007.00
mauser188 folds
GingerW1zard calls $0,007.00
*** TURN *** [ ] []
GingerW1zard checks
cappuccino39 bets $0,021.00
GingerW1zard raises to $0,055.00 and is all-in
cappuccino39 calls $0,004.75 and is all-in
Uncalled bet of $0,029.25 returned to GingerW1zard
*** SHOW DOWN ***
GingerW1zard shows [ :Ts:]
cappuccino39 shows [ :Qc:]
*** RIVER *** [ ] [:Qh:]
*** SUMMARY ***
Board: [4d 9h 9s 9d Qh]
GingerW1zard collects $0,069.50

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EverestPoker Game #1600059676: Table Berlin-32 - $0,000.25/$0,000.50 - No Limit Hold'em - 22:54:39 - 2007/05/30
Seat 1: GingerW1zard ($0,041.52)
Seat 2: tuborg3 ($0,056.59)
Seat 3: Marco_V ($0,030.85)
Seat 4: petervanb069 ($0,045.45)
Seat 5: Flush11 ($0,036.05)
Seat 6: HBaas ($0,056.40)
Seat 7: BolliMS ($0,047.68)
Seat 9: IvoKempo ($0,052.90)
Seat 10: Gpz0 ($0,050.00)
Flush11 posts the small blind of $0,000.25
HBaas posts the big blind of $0,000.50
Gpz0 posts $0,000.50
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to GingerW1zard[ ]
BolliMS calls $0,000.50
IvoKempo folds
Gpz0 checks
GingerW1zard calls $0,000.50
tuborg3 folds
Marco_V folds
petervanb069 folds
Flush11 calls $0,000.25
HBaas raises to $0,003.00
BolliMS calls $0,002.50
Gpz0 folds
GingerW1zard calls $0,002.50
Flush11 folds
*** FLOP *** [:Qs: ]
HBaas checks
BolliMS checks
GingerW1zard bets $0,007.00
HBaas raises to $0,021.00
BolliMS folds
GingerW1zard raises to $0,038.52 and is all-in
HBaas calls $0,017.52
*** SHOW DOWN ***
HBaas shows [:Ac: :Qd:]
GingerW1zard shows [ ]

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EverestPoker Game #1603212079: Table Berlin-10 - $0,000.25/$0,000.50 - No Limit Hold'em - 18:23:23 - 2007/05/31
Seat 1: Ron_Stopable ($0,057.24)
Seat 3: petervanb069 ($0,051.78)
Seat 4: Dr_Dre9 ($0,017.50)
Seat 5: pakun ($0,109.15)
Seat 6: mauser188 ($0,074.15)
Seat 7: ibox777 ($0,023.00)
Seat 8: GingerW1zard ($0,104.15)
Seat 9: sharp94 ($0,010.00)
Seat 10: Ramano ($0,076.18)
petervanb069 posts the small blind of $0,000.25
Dr_Dre9 posts the big blind of $0,000.50
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to GingerW1zard[ ]
pakun folds
mauser188 folds
ibox777 folds
GingerW1zard raises to $0,002.00
sharp94 folds
Ramano folds
Ron_Stopable calls $0,002.00
petervanb069 calls $0,001.75
Dr_Dre9 folds
*** FLOP *** [:Jh: :Qs:]
petervanb069 checks
GingerW1zard bets $0,004.00
Ron_Stopable raises to $0,008.00
petervanb069 folds
GingerW1zard calls $0,004.00
*** TURN *** [:Jh: :Qs:] []
GingerW1zard bets $0,010.00
Ron_Stopable raises to $0,020.00
GingerW1zard calls $0,010.00
*** RIVER *** [:Jh: :Qs: ] [:Qd:]
GingerW1zard checks
Ron_Stopable checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
GingerW1zard shows [ ]
Ron_Stopable shows [:Js: :Jd:]
*** SUMMARY ***
Board: [Jh 6s Qs 9h Qd]
Ron_Stopable collects $0,059.50

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EverestPoker Game #1600129913: Table Doha-40 - $0,000.25/$0,000.50 - No Limit Hold'em - 23:13:05 - 2007/05/30
Seat 1: Vargasss ($0,048.10)
Seat 2: GingerW1zard ($0,062.15)
Seat 3: tissy26 ($0,010.45)
Seat 5: MARCVEGAS ($0,029.56)
Seat 6: Roald79 ($0,061.50)
MARCVEGAS posts the small blind of $0,000.25
Roald79 posts the big blind of $0,000.50
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to GingerW1zard[ ]
Vargasss folds
GingerW1zard raises to $0,002.00
tissy26 folds
MARCVEGAS folds
Roald79 calls $0,001.50
*** FLOP *** [ ]
Roald79 checks
GingerW1zard bets $0,003.00
Roald79 calls $0,003.00
*** TURN *** [ ] []
Roald79 checks
GingerW1zard bets $0,007.00
Roald79 calls $0,007.00
*** RIVER *** [ ] []
Roald79 checks
GingerW1zard bets $0,018.00
Roald79 folds
Uncalled bet of $0,018.00 returned to GingerW1zard
*** SHOW DOWN ***
GingerW1zard mucks
*** SUMMARY ***
Board: [2c 2d 8c 6d 9h]
GingerW1zard collects $0,023.05

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EverestPoker Game #1604065139: Table Berlin-30 - $0,000.25/$0,000.50 - No Limit Hold'em - 20:41:32 - 2007/05/31
Seat 1: latin26 ($0,008.75)
Seat 2: GingerW1zard ($0,081.25)
Seat 3: JavoRamos ($0,057.50)
Seat 4: -ROLEX-01- ($0,011.35)
Seat 5: FunkFrallan ($0,050.65)
Seat 6: BasN ($0,063.85)
Seat 7: zouille76 ($0,064.70)
Seat 8: JosStorm ($0,024.50)
Seat 9: penorama ($0,049.97)
Seat 10: bibi66po ($0,040.25)
GingerW1zard posts the small blind of $0,000.25
JavoRamos posts the big blind of $0,000.50
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to GingerW1zard[ ]
-ROLEX-01- folds
FunkFrallan folds
BasN folds
zouille76 calls $0,000.50
JosStorm folds
penorama folds
bibi66po folds
latin26 calls $0,000.50
GingerW1zard calls $0,000.25
JavoRamos raises to $0,001.00
zouille76 calls $0,000.50
latin26 calls $0,000.50
GingerW1zard calls $0,000.50
*** FLOP *** [ :Th:]
GingerW1zard bets $0,002.70
JavoRamos raises to $0,005.40
zouille76 folds
latin26 folds
GingerW1zard calls $0,002.70
*** TURN *** [ :Th:] []
GingerW1zard checks
JavoRamos bets $0,010.00
GingerW1zard calls $0,010.00
*** RIVER *** [ :Th: ] [:Jd:]
GingerW1zard checks
JavoRamos bets $0,018.00
GingerW1zard raises to $0,064.85 and is all-in
JavoRamos calls $0,023.10 and is all-in
Uncalled bet of $0,023.75 returned to GingerW1zard
*** SHOW DOWN ***
GingerW1zard shows [ ]
JavoRamos shows [:Td: :Ts:]
*** SUMMARY ***
Board: [9s 4s Th 5h Jd]
GingerW1zard collects $0,114.00

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EverestPoker Game #1603133685: Table Berlin-4 - $0,000.25/$0,000.50 - No Limit Hold'em - 18:08:43 - 2007/05/31
Seat 2: rouki2199 ($0,024.25)
Seat 3: GingerW1zard ($0,066.80)
Seat 4: vendetta ($0,093.00)
Seat 5: Ze_Gnome ($0,072.45)
Seat 6: phutures.com ($0,050.65)
Seat 7: Masien ($0,016.50)
Seat 10: Ratatuya ($0,046.60)
Ze_Gnome posts the small blind of $0,000.25
phutures.com posts the big blind of $0,000.50
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to GingerW1zard[ ]
Masien folds
Ratatuya folds
rouki2199 folds
GingerW1zard raises to $0,002.00
vendetta folds
Ze_Gnome folds
phutures.com raises to $0,006.25
GingerW1zard calls $0,004.25
*** FLOP *** [:Jh: ]
phutures.com bets $0,009.00
GingerW1zard calls $0,009.00 I play this terribly actually. Going all this way i need to be raising not calling. Doyle would kick me in the arse for this one!
*** TURN *** [:Jh: ] [:Td:]
phutures.com bets $0,035.40 and is all-in
GingerW1zard calls $0,035.40
*** SHOW DOWN ***
phutures.com shows [:Ac: :Ah:]
GingerW1zard shows [ ]

Ok so a mixed bag I'll admit. One thing i will say though is that, people folded a lot more against my flop bets knowing they'd have bigger bets to call, just like Doyle says. Certainly all the money i made raising and pushing people off the flop covered most of the big hand losses and set me up for the wins.

Forgetting the 20% increase to my bankroll after 2hours only, does anyone actually think this style has anything going for it? Harrington would be sick if he saw hand 12!

[JeffreyGB]

I think that you're ultimately playing big pots with marginal hands. When you run well, it will be good, as here. Note that there were multiple times in the above that you were less than 20% going to the river, but made your hand to win a big pot.

I think that if you run poor, this may well end up causing relatively big losses.

Any time you play big pots, you're going to have more variance. If you catch the upside of that variance, you're going to be very happy with the results. The downside will make you cry, however.

In any case, aggressive play is definitely good though, and that's certainly something to pick up from this experiment. Let us know how things end up!

[gingerwizard]

Yeah as Doyle says, when you get all your money in you're often behind.

YOu steal so many small pots, that, so far it has been worth it.

Not sure I ended up with all my money in and only a 20% shot very often. Plus, as you see, my sets get paid off because people give me less credit and go with their bigish hands.

I have no idea, whether this will be profitable for long. But i'll keep playing with it.

[Sheetah]

Agree with JeffreyGB. You go too far with so so hands.

I tried to 'Doyle it up' myself just recently. After hitting the wall several times went back to reread the book and was quite surprised of how many things I missed the first time. Doyle's system is a perfect LAG primer - you go AGGRO in small-ish pots and play reasonably in big ones (this is your leak IMO, once the bet/raise is initiated you can't stop), save the flop all-in on draw that is often EV+ due to FE.

On the other side experiments like this really expanded my game and my overall perception of poker as a game. Super System is a great book, filled with tons of interesting ideas and important concepts and those who say it's obsolete are full of BS.

[Chicago_Kid]

Not to pile on too much here...but several of these hands are spew fests. You need to be more selective with your aggression, or you are going to give away alot of chips.

Nonetheless, I applaud the efforts to open up your game and play big pot poker. It's truly a fun way to play, and profitable over the long haul if you fine tune some things.

[swiggidy]

My thoughts (prob not worth much)

Hand 1: Standard (i.e. not really doyled)
Hand 2: Def agro
Hand 3: Fine
Hand 4: Standard
Hand 5: Could lead to spew
Hand 6: Standard
Hand 7: Open limping is very un-agro. Villain is being the doyle in this hand
Hand 8: Pretty standard, you're going to get called by AQ there a lot
Hand 9: Spew
Hand 10: Good
Hand 11: Again, not agro. Calling the min-raise on the flop is fine, fold turn, pushing has to be better than calling
Hand 12: Calling turn is terrible