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[c-luvin]

Ok just a question....ive been playing poker for like 5 years and sauce has been the only one i have really discussed poker at length with for a couple years now. me and him are both from the felt everything never fold get yourself out of tough spots with sick plays school of poker, so anyone whos been playing for a couple years tell me how being a nit has become the new breed of good poker players. i think image might have a big part of it cuz people tend to wanna call me with anything so i get to felt my hand more. anyway im drinking and ranting about nits respond if necesary. sauce please make this rant make more sence for me if your not still drunk from white russians and HU with your mom all day. He lost btw. fucking n00b

[IowaSkinsFan]

Nits have become the new bread because its good to be nitty first as a good base and then learn the real game.
There's nothing wrong with being nits, guys like daut actually make money doing it.

[sauce123]

FOLDING IS FOR nOObs. Yea Im so real I can type nOObs without any friggin 0s cause I pwned the stupid nitty FTR font. WHAT?!?!

[JL]

...because from mid to lower stakes, image means jack shit.
There are so many terrible players down here that it makes more sense to 12-table at 18/14.
It's all about your hourly rate.

Obviously when you get to higher stakes, image means a lot more because people are paying attention.
I am sure all the Laggs are pwning the nits at 5/10 and up.

[silu73]

I am sure all the Laggs are pwning the nits at 5/10 and up.

QFT. I know one player who would has the BR to play 2kNL but got owned badly and so he rather multitables $200NL because he is a nit who cannot increase his VPIP to over 17.

[euphoricism]

Id give my testes away to play 20/10 and win. I just cant see it happening above 50NL. I just don't get paid when I'm that tight. Set camping is the new parachute pant.

[IowaSkinsFan]

Euph, it's not so much playing more hands pre then taking advantage of the fact you get no action post.

[sauce123]

Yea you can play really tight and make money at high limits, just you have to make sick laydowns Im not capable of making and sick bluffs which I am, but make too much. So dont play tight.

[benny999]

doesn't cocco_bill kill at 400-1k nl with 20/10 stats?
and has anybody else seen this dude "make_it_rain" on UB and FT with 20/10...he seems to win solidly at mid stakes.
also i agree with JL and ISF but being able to lag it up is good too.

[zenbitz]

now 20/10 = nit???

[euphoricism]

Euph, it's not so much playing more hands pre then taking advantage of the fact you get no action post.

It comes down to what do you think is more valuable
A) Playing more hands and getting paid off more
B) Playing fewer hands and abusing the hell out of your position postflop

I've been to much of former, and not enough of the latter I guess. Good post ISF.

[lolzzz_321]

I think coco_bill has sick game selection and a solid game.

[IowaSkinsFan]

I think coco_bill has sick game selection and a solid game.

I think that cocco_bill is just super sick. He just pretty much says he's good at adjusting.

[gabe]

the nits u see winning are winning because they pull some moves every now and then that are enough to keep people guessing....or they've just been hitting enough sets recently

daut isnt that good btw, i would love to play him hu for a long time

[mcatdog]

now 20/10 = nit???

yes

[sauce123]

yea daut's value lines in general are decent and not super predictable but overall hes very exploitable, mostly because his range is so small.

[sauce123]

after reading the hands posted today- BUMP

[IowaSkinsFan]

TO ALL YOU LOSERS DAUT IS MY HERO

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[c-luvin]

im with sauce bizzidybump

[IowaSkinsFan]

[ihategnomes]

Id give my testes away to play 20/10 and win. I just cant see it happening above 50NL. I just don't get paid when I'm that tight. Set camping is the new parachute pant.

I think you have an EXTREMELY fucked up sense of reality.

[Rondavu]

Id give my testes away to play 20/10 and win. I just cant see it happening above 50NL. I just don't get paid when I'm that tight. Set camping is the new parachute pant.

I think you have an EXTREMELY fucked up sense of reality.

I agree. 20/10 pwns way past 50NL.

[gabe]

preflop stays have nothing to do with things

[euphoricism]

I think its not a fair comparison, TBH. 20/10 in NL can mean a lot of things. He's playing 20% of his hands but it doesnt say which 20%. It doesnt imply top 20% either. Just 20%. In LHE you can put a guy on a range directly form his vpip/pfr because if he has a 20% vpip he's going to play exactly the top 20% of his hands (tighter in EP, probably closer to 16%, looser OTB, pushing 28% at times)

You know what would kick ass? A hud that updates itself based on where the person is in relation to the button. We all know people are tighter in EP than OTB - and those numbers are available in PT... someone get on it!

[zook]

You know what would kick ass? A hud that updates itself based on where the person is in relation to the button. We all know people are tighter in EP than OTB - and those numbers are available in PT... someone get on it!

Someone's working on this. It shows 3-betting and positional stats. Haven't seen an update in awhile though.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...45&page=0&vc=1

[Toadstool]

As long as you don't play extremely tight such as <9/9 or extremely loose >45/45 for example, you can win - it's pretty much all about postflop play and adjusting to your opponants. you can take a guy who is 12/9 and another guy who is 32/28 - it's going to be the person with the better postflop skills who makes the money regardless of the preflop stats.

[mcatdog]

Bump. The top of the forum is full of threads like should I fold this straight, should I fold this overpair, should I fold this two pair. Since when was making big folds the most important aspect of a person's poker game? I think it's in like 5th place behind value betting, bluffing, making good reads, and dead bears.

[Numbr2intheWorld]

great post mcat

[IowaSkinsFan]

cuz we all know dead bears are really important.

[sauce123]

dead bears is clearly mcat's secret acronym for double barrels

[c-luvin]

bumping this due to awww son of a...

[Galapogos]

But I didn't fold in that one!

[IowaSkinsFan]

But I didn't fold in that one!

Yeah to your defense I think you just saw 54 and you were just like "hmmmmmmmm.."

[c-luvin]

im just gunna bump again for yay AA

[Numbr2intheWorld]

This is by far the best post ever.

[JL]

I think this thread is -EV for all us nits out there.

[Galapogos]

But I didn't fold in that one!

Yeah to your defense I think you just saw 54 and you were just like "hmmmmmmmm.."

A lot of the hands I post are ones where I called because I knew that was the right play but my gut was telling me otherwise. Then I post it to see if my understanding of what is the right play could be incorrect.

[griffey24]

Bump. The top of the forum is full of threads like should I fold this straight, should I fold this overpair, should I fold this two pair. Since when was making big folds the most important aspect of a person's poker game? I think it's in like 5th place behind value betting, bluffing, making good reads, and dead bears.

Good post mcat, I agree with this for sure.

But I think at the end of the day, making big (correct) folds, value betting at the right times and bluffing at the right times all comes down to making good reads. If you can't make good correct reads, then you can't do any of these other things properly.

And obviously, making good reads is strongly dependent on dead bears.

[Halv]

I is call station. I never are fold.

[Numbr2intheWorld]

http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...4#504264<br />
scroll down towards the end

[IowaSkinsFan]

Bump. The top of the forum is full of threads like should I fold this straight, should I fold this overpair, should I fold this two pair. Since when was making big folds the most important aspect of a person's poker game? I think it's in like 5th place behind value betting, bluffing, making good reads, and dead bears.

[c-luvin]

buuuuump cuz im drunk

[IowaSkinsFan]

bump cuz of this.
http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...oker-54358.htm

[Fnord]

now 20/10 = nit???

If you play well post-flop and manipulate your opponents the right way with tightish stats, you don't need to play a lot of hands. It also cuts down on your rake exposure.

[Renton]

Bump. The top of the forum is full of threads like should I fold this straight, should I fold this overpair, should I fold this two pair. Since when was making big folds the most important aspect of a person's poker game? I think it's in like 5th place behind value betting, bluffing, making good reads, and dead bears.

this post is snazzy, but i think it overestimates/underestimates many things for comic effect.

Lets look at it the other way. What is the worst thing you can possibly do ev-wise in poker? Make a bad call.

Making fairly big laydowns vs readable players is sooooooooooooo important to a good winrate. Some people's ranges are so strong that its a massive mistake to make "crying" calls with overpairs/two pair/trips/etc. This is especially true in full ring, the game ive been playing, but it applies to shorthanded as well.

A while back i was playing 2/4 six max, flopped middle set on a flush board, and got stacked by a flopped flush all in on the turn. I chalked it to a 'cooler' and moved on. I showed it to nutsinho up to the turn action with the reads that i had on the guy (i think he was relatively loose/passive) and was like "what would you do?" He's like "well, he has a flush..."

And thats basically it. He had a flush 90+% of the time, and I still called a stack off. It was a clear fold, and I called because "i had a set."

Making a big laydown that's good is way better than making a good value bet, or making a good bluff. Its a simple matter of 70+bb saved is worth way more than a few bb gained on a bluff or a thin bet.

[IowaSkinsFan]

Good post Renton, I think you have a great point.

I think what mcat is saying is if you want to take your game to a higher level you have to stop focusing on making good laydowns and focus more on other aspects.

[mcatdog]

I'm not saying that making big folds is totally worthless, just that hands where you have a monster but a loose passive player or a nit obviously has a bigger monster really don't happen very often. It happens WAY more often that people fail to make an easy value bet, or miss out on a good spot to bluff. I'm also saying that if the only hands you think about after the fact are ones like the one you mentioned, you'll never get past a certain level. But sometimes it seems like all people ask around here is "should I fold this 2 pair." They're not asking the right questions about their game IMO.

Also, even the biggest nit is bluffing sometimes. I remember a hand at 200NL where I raised with AQhh and a nit called in the BB. The flop gave me the nut flush draw, I bet and he checkminraised. Based on previous history I was like 90% sure he'd flopped a set so I called looking for another heart. The turn was an ace and I raised his bet all-in (probably tilt), he insta-called with 55 drawing dead on one out.

[IowaSkinsFan]

http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...oker-54431.htm

I guess the nits extend out of the shorthanded forum too.

Yes i'm not normally a donkament player but not considering raising this has got to be a little nitty right?

[JL]

http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...oker-54431.htm

I guess the nits extend out of the shorthanded forum too.

Yes i'm not normally a donkament player but not considering raising this has got to be a little nitty right?

Yeah, easy push....he's just being too results oriented.

[c-luvin]

for sick squeeze gone wrong

[Harry]

posttt flopppp

[Rondavu]

I love Dead Bears = Two Barrells

[Fnord]

http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...oker-55516.htm

BUMP FOR JYMS!

[IowaSkinsFan]

This thread should be stickied

[Galapogos]

No. It's cooler how it gets bumped every time someone does/says something nitty.

[ilikeaces86]

A good Tag is better than a good Lag. Try that one on for size.

[Silly String]

Self depricating bump:
I suggested a fold for AQ to a min 4bet to |~|ypermegachi.

[Galapogos]

You did the right thing.

[bigspenda73]

http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...-bet-56393.htm

[mcatdog]

PokerStars Game #10508819864: Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2007/06/19 - 02:27:21 (ET)
Table 'Iphigenia IV' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: tc_tofu ($19.30 in chips)
Seat 2: roger168 ($49.25 in chips)
Seat 3: rymy68 ($55.05 in chips)
Seat 4: sabrefan ($50 in chips)
Seat 5: IFEEDURKIDS ($77 in chips)
Seat 6: mcatdog ($53.50 in chips)
sabrefan: posts small blind $0.25
IFEEDURKIDS: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to mcatdog [Kh Kd]
mcatdog: raises $1.50 to $2
tc_tofu: calls $2
roger168: folds
rymy68: raises $1.50 to $3.50
sabrefan: folds
IFEEDURKIDS: raises $7.50 to $11
rymy68 said, "c`mon"
mcatdog: folds
tc_tofu: folds
rymy68: calls $7.50
*** FLOP *** [3c Ad Jh]
IFEEDURKIDS: checks
rymy68: bets $44.05 and is all-in
IFEEDURKIDS: calls $44.05
*** TURN *** [3c Ad Jh] [3h]
*** RIVER *** [3c Ad Jh 3h] [9s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
IFEEDURKIDS: shows [Ah Ac] (a full house, Aces full of Threes)
rymy68: mucks hand
IFEEDURKIDS collected $111.35 from pot
rymy68 said, "nh"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $114.35 | Rake $3
Board [3c Ad Jh 3h 9s]
Seat 1: tc_tofu folded before Flop
Seat 2: roger168 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: rymy68 (button) mucked [3s As]
Seat 4: sabrefan (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: IFEEDURKIDS (big blind) showed [Ah Ac] and won ($111.35) with a full house, Aces full of Threes
Seat 6: mcatdog folded before Flop

[Silly String]

Head Shot! BOOM!