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    Default AK 100NL re-raise preflop IP

    Something that is very inconsistant on the side of being +EV for me is raising AK in LP after a raiser from early. What do you think about this hand? My idea here was that I wasn't worried about any sort of draws other than MAYBE AQ looking for a Ten. So, I wanted to keep the pot small.

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    Blinds: $0.50/$1
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    Pre-flop: (8 players) Hero is Button with
    4 folds, CO raises to $4, Hero raises to $12, SB calls, BB folds, CO calls.

    Flop: ($37, 3 players)
    SB checks, CO checks, Hero checks.

    Turn: ($37, 3 players)
    SB checks, CO bets $22, Hero raises to $44, THIS IS MY BLOCKING BET FOR FUTURE CONSIDERATIONS, whereby, I look not to get the pot any bigger after this point. 2 folds.
    Uncalled bets: $22 returned to Hero.

    Results:
    Final pot: $81

    FWIW villain claimed 44...
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    FWIW i PFR to about 14-16 PF. i gladly c/b this flop.

    Stacks??
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    why do you want to keep the pot small? you want to stack a weaker king.

    you must cbet the flop for value and to make a draw pay. and you don't know they don't have a draw.

    the turn cbet sucks. you accomplish nothing with it.

    i'm guessing this is 100bb stacks.

    you play way to passive IMO
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    Gotta bet this flop. Price out any straight/flush draws with what is very likely the best hand. People don't always flop sets
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    How do you feel about the :Qs: hitting the turn?

    What about any other spade?

    What about a Jack?
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    I would think you'd check the flop to induce a bluff on turn, etc.
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    Bet flop.
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    If the flop is HU I don't mind mixing in a check in a 3-bet pot here, but 3-way I definitely c-bet. And raise the turn bigger and be willing to get it AI. Pot's too big to raise/fold here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Da GOAT
    FWIW i PFR to about 14-16 PF. i gladly c/b this flop.

    Stacks??
    Stacks for all three of us were $100-$120.

    Quote Originally Posted by pokerroomace
    why do you want to keep the pot small? you want to stack a weaker king.
    you must cbet the flop for value and to make a draw pay. and you don't know they don't have a draw.

    the turn cbet sucks. you accomplish nothing with it.

    i'm guessing this is 100bb stacks.

    you play way to passive IMO
    First of all, the odds of someone holding two spades are about 1 in 17. The odds probably decrease dramatically when you factor in raises and position.
    I don't know many players who call re-raises oop with weak kings, so I find it hard to be stacking weaker kings. Also, isn't that the best case scenerio vs. two opponents? That someone has KQ? Not only is this hand not frequent enough, but neither are flush draws or even less likely QT!

    So, I think the ONLY hand I should be betting against here are either AKs (of which I'm dominated and will split AT BEST), and AQs. Even AQs though is not that likely because I already have an Ace and AQo only has 16% to win.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ash256
    How do you feel about the hitting the turn?
    What about any other spade?
    What about a Jack?
    If a falls on the turn, only now am I worried about a flush draw. I'm not worried about a straight nor am I worried about two pair because of what I mentioned above. A Jack falling is interesting, because now Jrag is winning, but it's not often Jrag sees this flop either.

    Quote Originally Posted by bigred
    I would think you'd check the flop to induce a bluff on turn, etc.
    This is one of the reasons I checked the flop. AK is a big hand when you hit the flop... and I know it's not impenetrable. But I think that one of the few ways to extract value from weaker hands is to slowplay the first street.

    Quote Originally Posted by zook
    If the flop is HU I don't mind mixing in a check in a 3-bet pot here, but 3-way I definitely c-bet. And raise the turn bigger and be willing to get it AI. Pot's too big to raise/fold here.
    With everything being said, I don't disagree with betting the flop against three players. But why are we pot committing ourselves against two players in a reraised pot preflop with 4 cards showing and only holding TPTK? Isn't this a key situation for players who are trying to stack TPTK?

    One more thing about my turn min raise: It does the exact same thing a large bet would make to run away drawing hands(particularily against the SB), it gains the most out of weaker hands, and it's a perfect blocking bet against better hands.

    I'd like to read a rebuttle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BankItDrew
    But why are we pot committing ourselves against two players in a reraised pot preflop with 4 cards showing and only holding TPTK?
    Because the pot is large and you've shown huge weakness by checking the flop. I don't hate the minraise as long as you CALL a push. There's nothing wrong with felting TPTK in a 3-bet pot 100bb deep, esp after you've shown weakness. The reason I prefer a bigger turn raise is you're giving great odds to flush draws and if he calls you can't fold the river.

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