Biggish Pots: QQ to 3-bet; AA=>top set; 2x pair+draw

[JeffreyGB]

1. Opp was a 20/15. What do you do preflop? Can you just call on the flop if you think he could have JJ/TT/AQ or wider?
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

SB ($267)
BB ($232)
UTG ($194.90)
MP ($32.85)
Hero ($206.70)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q, Q.
UTG calls $2, 1 fold, Hero raises to $10, 1 fold, BB raises to $37, UTG folds, Hero calls $25.

Flop: ($75) 4, K, 3 (2 players)
BB bets $58, Hero raises to $171.7 (All-In), BB calls $113.70.

Turn: ($418.40) 3 (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($418.40) 2 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $416.40



2. Villain liked calling preflop and playing back in this line postflop when bluffing or semi-bluffing. I was pretty sure I was way ahead even if the K hadn't come (that is, I'm confident he didn't flop the straight).
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CO ($237)
Button ($124)
SB ($314.20)
BB ($299.10)
Hero ($237)
MP ($378.10)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A, A.
Hero raises to $7, 2 folds, Button calls $7, SB calls $6, BB calls $5.

Flop: ($28) A, T, K (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $22, Button folds, SB calls $22, BB folds.

Turn: ($72) K (2 players)
SB bets $35, Hero calls $35.

River: ($142) 7 (2 players)
SB bets $50, Hero raises to $128, SB raises to $256, Hero calls $45 (All-In).

Final Pot: $491



3. Same Villain as hand 1. 20/15.
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SB ($278.40)
BB ($200)
UTG ($391.65)
MP ($231.75)
CO ($105.55)
Hero ($236.55)

Preflop: Hero is Button with T, 8.
UTG raises to $7, 2 folds, Hero calls $7, SB calls $6, 1 fold.

Flop: ($23) 2, 2, 8 (3 players)
SB checks, UTG bets $15, Hero calls $15, SB folds.

Turn: ($53) J (2 players)
UTG bets $38, Hero calls $38.

River: ($129) T (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $65, UTG calls $65.

Final Pot: $259



4. This was a lovely hand against the same player as in 2. Fun fun.
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BB ($249.10)
UTG ($69.15)
MP ($271.55)
CO ($200)
Hero ($490.80)
SB ($210.15)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 5, 7.
UTG calls $2, MP raises to $8, 1 fold, Hero calls $8, 2 folds, UTG calls $6.

Flop: ($27) 5, 4, A (3 players)
UTG checks, MP bets $18, Hero raises to $49, UTG folds, MP raises to $118, Hero raises to $531.8 (All-In), MP folds.

Final Pot: $227

[|~|ypermegachi]

hand 1: very interesting...i'm 4betting preflop every time. it makes it much easier to play i think, especially on a flop like this one. i actually like calling and seeing what he does on the turn.

hand 2: nh

hand 3: nh. i'd bet 65% OTR.

hand 4: well this guy's lost like 3 stacks to you, might as well GA/\/\B00000LL!!!!

[gabe]

1 id call the flop, hes probably not going to bluff you on the turn, or value bet worse
2 yea
3 basically you are hoping he fired 2 barrels with Tx and makes a hero call or has 99 and thinks the same......both of those are a small % of the time so i check
4 std

[Numbr2intheWorld]

1. i cold call preflop like you did. The flop kinda sucks, you can really just fold to his bet, calling may be ok. Pushing is pointless because you're folding out everything you beat.

2. Not raising the turn is a crime. There are wayyy too many scare cards for your opponent. You could even do a small raise, giving the guy a bit of odds for a draw, while with a K he'll push. I also don't undertsand why you don't just push your stack in on the river, he'll probably have an easier time calling that then the small raise.

3. There's really no value in betting the river, he probably has an overpair here. Everything else was fine.

[gabe]

"i cold call preflop like you did"

i was talking to 2 other FTR NL players in vegas and they also didnt know what the term cold call really means. i should start a thread or something.

[Numbr2intheWorld]

"i cold call preflop like you did"

i was talking to 2 other FTR NL players in vegas and they also didnt know what the term cold call really means. i should start a thread or something.

Cold calling - calling two bets on the same street
http://www.pokerstrategy.org.uk/en/glossary/

hmmm, i thought that was just called overcalling. I feel dumb

[zook]

Looks like I'm repeating but...

1. Call 3-bet pre-flop 80%, 4-bet 20%. Fold to flop c-bet.
2. nh
3. Check behind river, board's paired, no one's looking you up with worse.
4. nh

[gabe]

that glossary has it wrong, look it up in some sklansky books

[bigspenda73]

Coldcalling mucho more commono in fixed limit.

Very tough to coldcall in NL.

[gabe]

cold calling is when you call a raise without having put any money in on that street yet

fnord back me up?

[Fnord]

Yup

[Da GOAT]

2. Not raising the turn is a crime. There are wayyy too many scare cards for your opponent. You could even do a small raise, giving the guy a bit of odds for a draw, while with a K he'll push. I also don't undertsand why you don't just push your stack in on the river, he'll probably have an easier time calling that then the small raise.

I disagree with turn advice. I think calling is a good play, repopping shows we beleive we can beat a K. calling gives opp the control to bet river, there are scare cards but some of them could give opp FH too etc etc plus it keeps his semi bluffs in the game too. river should of been a SHOVE by hero obv IMHO

3. There's really no value in betting the river, he probably has an overpair here. Everything else was fine.

hmm i dunno, i think id still bet river here. hero bet 1/2 pot so i think its fine. 1/4-1/2 pot seems fine though i think anymore would be bad.

BTW Ive left out advice on hand 1 coz id probably fold flop alot here unless ive a read

[|~|ypermegachi]

so what would this action be?

UTG raises, MP calls, Hero calls.

is this a cold-over-call?

[Da GOAT]

so what would this action be?

UTG raises, MP calls, Hero calls.

is this a cold-over-call?

thats a cold-call by hero, usually happens preflop.

[pokerroomace]

1 id call the flop, hes probably not going to bluff you on the turn, or value bet worse
2 yea
3 basically you are hoping he fired 2 barrels with Tx and makes a hero call or has 99 and thinks the same......both of those are a small % of the time so i check
4 std

i like gabe's advice for hand 1.

hand 2 i think you should push river. it didn't matter in the end since he 3bet pushed himself.

hand 3 - i was about to disagree with gabe but then realized there was a pair of 2s down. i agree that you can't really value bet here, will any worse hands actually call here? and i think a lot of better hands do call.

hand 4 - nh

[pokerroomace]

1. i cold call preflop like you did. The flop kinda sucks, you can really just fold to his bet, calling may be ok. Pushing is pointless because you're folding out everything you beat.

2. Not raising the turn is a crime. There are wayyy too many scare cards for your opponent. You could even do a small raise, giving the guy a bit of odds for a draw, while with a K he'll push. I also don't undertsand why you don't just push your stack in on the river, he'll probably have an easier time calling that then the small raise.

3. There's really no value in betting the river, he probably has an overpair here. Everything else was fine.

good points.

is calling the turn in hand 2 really such a crime? a turn push raise will fold a lot of hands that might bet the river

[JeffreyGB]

1. Preflop line question: regarding the call v 4-bet. In my mind, if I call, I can get value from JJ/TT/AQ postflop. If I 4-bet, most of those hands get folded and I'm either flipping v AK or losing. I also don't see how we can assume he has KK+/AK because he c-bet after 3-betting. What 20/15 player isn't c-betting when he 3-bet pre? I do think that a call is better though, as it defines my hand well, making a turn fold reasonable.

2. What on earth am I scared of on the turn? He almost has to have a K or a straight to go with it if I come out on the turn. If I let him bet the river, he does that with a wider range, esp if he hits a strong 2nd best hand.

I didn't push the river because it would be nearly a pot-sized push, which I was worried would scare him off. I was pretty sure that he wasn't aware enough to read my smaller bet as strength.

3. No one (save Da Goat) thinks A8/Tx/99/33-77 makes a crying call for 1/2 pot on the river?

[gabe]

crazy as it sounds, if you bet more on the hand 3 river you get called more often against good players when you are an unknown

[apunisher]

gabe, fnord....whoever

lets say utg raises, co 3bets, and i call from bb

is this cold calling?

[JeffreyGB]

crazy as it sounds, if you bet more on the hand 3 river you get called more often against good players when you are an unknown

Right. My argument is that this guy is not a good player. He was very predictable and overly aggro if he had any room to be. Taking that room away (miniscule as it may be) isn't going to get him in the pot any more often.

[JeffreyGB]

gabe, fnord....whoever

lets say utg raises, co 3bets, and i call from bb

is this cold calling?

There doesn't have to be a 3-bet to make something a cold call. If UTG raises and CO calls, that is a cold-call. If UTG limps, then CO raises, then UTG calls, that is just a call; it's not a cold call.

Since you have money in from the blinds, I don't think that the situation you describe would be considered a cold-call.

[bigspenda73]

Yes there has to be a 3bet JGB otherwise it's an overcall.

It's calling two bets cold, not calling one bet after someone else has bet and someone else has called, that's an overcall.

Better question really is what does PT think a coldcall is?

[JeffreyGB]

Yes there has to be a 3bet JGB otherwise it's an overcall.

It's calling two bets cold, not calling one bet after someone else has bet and someone else has called, that's an overcall.

Better question really is what does PT think a coldcall is?

Reread my post. I stated that his example wasn't a cold call.

My statement was simply that with a single bet in, the first call is a cold call. People seemed like they were getting caught up in the 3bet stuff.

I suspect that PT only counts the first non-blind caller as a coldcall (hence everyone having less than 5 percent). I also think "called raise preflop" is a much more useful stat than "coldcalled preflop"