funky cold medina

[Chopper]

seems every decision i am making right now is getting punished. and rightfully so. both on the tables and in here.

maybe this is a bad question, but did i at least play this right? i had AQ, a minraiser, and a couple who called it cold...is this raise at least standard with
AQ? or was it a fold? should i have cbet? i wasnt prepared to make a big cbet oop into an already large pot, and be on the road to comittment w/o hitting the flop hard. does that alone make this a fold?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

UTG+1 ($24.50)
MP1 ($10.55)
MP2 ($14.50)
CO ($20.25)
Button ($25.80)
SB ($39.30)
Hero ($25)
UTG ($9.85)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A, Q.
2 folds, MP1 calls $0.25, MP2 raises to $0.5, CO calls $0.50, 1 fold, SB calls $0.40, Hero raises to $2.5, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, CO calls $2, SB folds.

Flop: ($6.25) 6, 8, 8 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks.

[Pelion]

Preflop is good. I bet the flop because

a) Your larger than usual PFR gives you a little more credibility than usual.

b) Hes unlikely to have hit it.

c) You might still have outs Vs a PP.

Also I wouldnt worried about making yourself committed here. You only have A high. Its very easy to shut down if he calls.

[Silly String]

I c-bet this without a read to the contrary. I would fire $4.50 into this pot. You will have to fold to a raise or c/f turn if called and unimproved. You 3bet a raiser here, he has to catch a piece of the flop or believe you 3bet other than J+ to call that cbet.

[Pelion]

Im sure $4 does the same thing as $4.50 here. Hes either hit this flop hard or not at all.

edit: By hard I mean hard enough to not fold to a cbet e.g. trips/ straight draw/ flush draw.

[Jack Sawyer]

I believe a ur pf reraise is too big.
Also, cbet is vital. Don't check now.

[Chopper]

i figured the cbet was mandatory, but i'm in such a GD funk right now, i dont know which end is up...as you can tell by the retarded lines ive been posting.

was more concerned of the RR size oop. figured it had to be big, as i was oop.

here's another. i need confirmation of this "move." villain is TPA. all that means to me is that they are usually TAGgish players whose raises/bets deserve a bit of respect.

the move: the "wait for the timer to tick down to 1 and shove." like he was really thinking or something. i call bullshit. its the nuts...

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

MP3 ($23.75)
CO ($7.85)
Button ($27.75)
SB ($5.95)
BB ($21.95)
UTG ($26.55)
UTG+1 ($31.35)
MP1 ($26.80)
Hero ($27.65)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A, A.
UTG raises to $1, 2 folds, Hero raises to $2.5, 5 folds, UTG calls $1.50.

Flop: ($5.35) J, 2, 6 (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $3.5, UTG calls $3.50.

Turn: ($12.35) J (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $7, UTG raises to $20.55, Hero ??

i am seeing too many raises of big bets, and too much raising of cbets. yet, if you dont bet....they still bet hard. makes it very hard for me to do anything but "nut camp."

[Pelion]

the move: the "wait for the timer to tick down to 1 and shove." like he was really thinking or something. i call bullshit. its the nuts...

dude thats always the nuts. Who thinks "omg can I really call this? Can I really be ahead now? Oh God I hope we can show down cheaply...you know what? Fuckit im gunna shove"

edit: Actually I just talked to trainer_jyms about this and he made a pretty good point. "If he lets it time down that close he isnt actually thinking hes watching the timer"

[Chopper]

btw, heres a dose of the "run" i'm on.

hard to sit and nut camp, but when you hit strong hands, the worst cards come...or they dont get paid, respectively. what to do?

hand 1...

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (7 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

CO ($14.90)
Button ($7.70)
SB ($4.50)
BB ($38)
UTG ($29.50)
Hero ($21.10)
MP2 ($13.95)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with J, K.
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.75, 3 folds, SB calls $0.65, BB calls $0.50.

Flop: ($2.25) T, K, 6 (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $1.5, SB folds, BB calls $1.50.

Turn: ($5.25) A (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks.

River: ($5.25) A (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $2, BB calls $2.

Final Pot: $9.25

he had KJ, too.


hand 2...say what you want about "you have to build a pot early..." this wasnt getting called period. but, and aggro that never even takes a shot?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Button ($9.15)
SB ($16.40)
BB ($37.85)
UTG ($5.05)
UTG+1 ($20.45)
MP1 ($28.25)
MP2 ($25.70)
Hero ($16.30)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K, A.
4 folds, Hero raises to $0.75, 2 folds, BB calls $0.50.

Flop: ($1.60) K, K, A (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks.

Turn: ($1.60) 8 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks.

River: ($1.60) 4 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.75, BB folds.

Final Pot: $1.60

this is just a dose of the hands i'm getting. been going on for 12k hands now. longest run of "funk" i've ever been in.

[Chopper]

the move: the "wait for the timer to tick down to 1 and shove." like he was really thinking or something. i call bullshit. its the nuts...

dude thats always the nuts. Who thinks "omg can I really call this? Can I really be ahead now? Oh God I hope we can show down cheaply...you know what? Fuckit im gunna shove"

edit: Actually I just talked to trainer_jyms about this and he made a pretty good point. "If he lets it time down that close he isnt actually thinking hes watching the timer"

which is why i pegged it when the timer came up, and watched it, too. all the while, thinking, "he's gonna shove when it hits 5 or less...dumbass. i hate when i have to laydown AA."

[bode]

how is this raise pre too small? i would make it $3 with the minraise and 2 callers. You have to c-bet when you iso raise big like that.

second hand your 3-bet is too small. would you raise this small w/ AK or AQs? You should always make similar size 3-bets because your tipping your hand this way to any (semi) thinking villain. Here you're 3-betting an UTG raiser so there is an even better chance he will call and see a flop.

raise to $3.5 pre. bet 6.00 into 7.50 on the flop and push the turn. Think ahead to the turn and river in situations like this when you are sizing your bets so you get maximum value and can get the money in on earlier streets.

[bode]

stats on villain in hand 2? What is an UTG raiser in FR raising here that beats you on this board besides exactly JJ? I call.

[Jack Sawyer]

...but when you hit strong hands, the worst cards come...or they dont get paid, respectively. what to do?

Keep betting. Villain might be afraid of scare cards too.

...my bad run...

Yep. your play seems very passive, which is why big hands don't pay off. You're of the trappy kind, are you not?

[bode]

hand 3: fire again on the turn and watch villain fold like a cheap suit.

hand 4: just bet the flop.

[Jack Sawyer]

An example of why you should bet your big hands:

PokerStars (Cash Game): $0.10/$0.25 NL , 9 players
Thu Aug 16 23:24:29 VET 2007
(Format: BBCode)

B3 (102.4 bb's)
B2 (101.8 bb's)
B1 (111.4 bb's)
Hero (104.4 bb's)
SB (61 bb's)
BB (295.6 bb's)
B6 (74.4 bb's)
B5 (97.6 bb's)
B4 (99.6 bb's)

Hero is the button.

Precards:
SB posts the small blind 0.4 bb's, BB posts the big blind 1 bb.

Preflop: Hero is dealt A K (9 active)
B6 calls 1 bb, 5 folds, Hero raises to 4 bb's, 2 folds, B6 calls 3 bb's.

Flop: :Kd: :Js: :Kh: (9.4 bb's, 2 active)
B6 checks, Hero bets 6 bb's, B6 calls 6 bb's.

Turn: :Kd: :Js: :Kh: (21.4 bb's, 2 active)
B6 checks, Hero bets 32 bb's, B6 calls 32 bb's.

River: :Kd: :Js: :Kh: :Ks: (85.4 bb's, 2 active)
B6 checks, Hero bets 36 bb's, B6 calls 32.4 bb's (all-in).

Final Pot: 143 bb's, 7.2 bb's raked
Hero, net: 68.6 bb's, Won at showdown, has A K (Four of a Kind, Kings)
B6, net: -74.4 bb's, Lost at showdown, has Q J (a Full House, Kings over Jacks)
BB, net: -1 bb's, Folded Preflop
SB, net: -0.4 bb's, Folded Preflop

[Chopper]

...but when you hit strong hands, the worst cards come...or they dont get paid, respectively. what to do?

Keep betting. Villain might be afraid of scare cards too.

...my bad run...

Yep. your play seems very passive, which is why big hands don't pay off. You're of the trappy kind, are you not?

i dont believe so. i'm of the "beat into submission" kind right now.

i used to be in the bet, bet, bet until they raise kind...but these days, THEY RAISE.

and to Bode, yes, i do bet AK the same way.

[Jack Sawyer]

i dont believe so. i'm of the "beat into submission" kind right now.

This is tilty language.
Go outside. Smell the roses. Make love to the wife. Don't play for a week. Or more.
Then come back refreshed. All will be well.

[Pelion]

the move: the "wait for the timer to tick down to 1 and shove." like he was really thinking or something. i call bullshit. its the nuts...

dude thats always the nuts. Who thinks "omg can I really call this? Can I really be ahead now? Oh God I hope we can show down cheaply...you know what? Fuckit im gunna shove"

edit: Actually I just talked to trainer_jyms about this and he made a pretty good point. "If he lets it time down that close he isnt actually thinking hes watching the timer"

which is why i pegged it when the timer came up, and watched it, too. all the while, thinking, "he's gonna shove when it hits 5 or less...dumbass. i hate when i have to laydown AA."

ah sorry i misread it and thought you called.

[Chopper]

i have never given in to the "take a break advice." and, wont.

i just need to "rock-it-up" for a bit, and let things sort themselves out. however, i have never lost over a 10k hand stretch. to me, its like sales, you power through.

read this hand...i shouldnt let the pot get this big, but i improved through the flop and turn...figured he hit the Q, too, and wondered about my kicker. but the river? KQ? or the A?

go ahead, tell me i didnt bet large enough. i know its coming.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

UTG ($25.25)
UTG+1 ($45)
MP1 ($14.25)
MP2 ($14.75)
MP3 ($20.25)
CO ($29.65)
Button ($24.65)
SB ($27.05)
Hero ($18.05)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q, 9.
3 folds, MP2 calls $0.25, MP3 calls $0.25, 2 folds, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: ($1) A, 9, A (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.75, MP2 calls $0.75, MP3 folds, SB folds.

Turn: ($2.50) Q (2 players)
Hero bets $1.25, MP2 raises to $2.5, Hero calls $1.25.

River: ($7.50) K (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets $11.25 (All-In), Hero??

[Jack Sawyer]

As played, calling is spew.
Way too many obvious hands beat you. Best you can hope for is a split pot.
I play it the same way if I'm sitting on the nuts or close to it.

[Chopper]

As played, calling is spew.
I play it the same way if I'm sitting on the nuts or close to it.

i folded, figured it was the A, personally.

what would you have done differently?

[Jack Sawyer]

As hero, I'd probably play it the exact same way. But very wary of that turn minraise.

[Chopper]

thank you. that helps.

i just need a bit of refreshment that aggression of just about any kind means strength down here.

catch you tomorrow.

[Silly String]

Chopper, so many people have an A in a limped pot(any Axs & a lot of <A9o), that playing your Q9 that hard is a spew. Why wouldn't you give 1 of the 3 callers credit for a slow played A when they call the flop. I may not bet the flop, I would give up after the flop bet, and no way I call a min-raise on the turn. River is a c/f as played.

[Chopper]

understood, and you are prolly right about the limping aces.

but, wouldnt you think that 77-88, TT or a weaker 9, maybe KJ do the same thing there in position?

i'm just saying the range is wider on the flop and turn than the A, imo. with only a $.75 bet, i think a lot calls. and, the minraise is usually a sign of strength now, but it's also a "feeler." and i improved to the Q. thats why i called the minraise. i'm also only calling $1.25 into $6.75ish...with top two, thats good odds, but i'm not sure what i beat.

i'm not trying to be a bitch, but is that still spew? can you put him on the A with those odds, and not having a read...just a generic situation?

calling the push is spew, and i didnt. but, up until then, you still think the thoughts suck?

am i thinking too much for 25NL? seeing possibilities that only would happen in higher limits...if even there?

[Jack Sawyer]

You aren't thinking too much, but you are overplaying.
Give the man the pot, now that its small. Don't keep balooning it while having a mediocre holding.
If he's bluffing, fine, so be it. Remember, bets are more important than pots.

[Chopper]

my main problem is that i am used to a game where TPTK rules, unless obvious signs come out that TPTK is beat...like a c/r or float.

i used to keep betting TPTK into drawy boards, when the draw hit, i shut down. seems now, some people are raising draws?

seems like TPTK isnt good as often anymore? you need top two to feel confident on dry boards, and more on a coordinated board. yet, when watching a hand unfold, i notice all the crap people are still playing/calling with...2nd pair, underpairs, etc. wtf?

hard to remember this much aggression in the past...when it happens this frequently, it feels like bluffers.

in the past, i hit TPTK, i bet the flop, get raised, and still call...knowing its TPGK or worse most of the time. have these chumps lost their rolls now? if i get my TPTK raised, is it a bluff, better hand, or 50/50?

i know its all "read dependent," but i'm looking for some generalities to redraw a baseline.

could also just be the way i'm matching up right now...i am not sure.

[Jack Sawyer]

I'm coming off a cold stretch too.
I got AQ. Some dude calls with 86, hits two-pair, stacks me.
I got KK. Some dude calls with KQ, pushes on Q flop, rivers trips.
Most of my big pot losses come from either TT or AQ, I don't understand this. Maybe I have to asses how I'm playing these hands?

These days happen. Yesterday I was up almost 5 buyins of 25NL, today I dropped 3. But the day is still not over, I'll try to recoup some losses.


The most important thing we have to do during these stretches, is to keep playing proper pokah, and not sit back and wait for face card pairs, which will not hold up, and end up funkin you more.

[Jack Sawyer]

And TPTK is good, but in moderate pots. You don't want to blow pots up reaal big with TPTK, only to have to muck it at showdown.
Try to see who to play TPTK for stacks against, and who you should thread with caution.

[Chopper]

just got done with a small session.

down another $20. played 16/9/3. cold decked on button, but all else was fine. didnt play one hand UTG.

folded to a ton of aggression, reluctantly, but did. and only saw one bluff showdown, in a hand i wasnt involved in.

bet when i hit, cbet 40%, and folded to c/r's and any other aggression after a cbet. never improved off a cbet. so, the turn checks got killed on the turn or river.

but the deck still setting me up a bit. had a couple hands where i was coolered, but found the way to fold all but one. oh well, neither here nor there really.

won 63% showdowns. only won 25% when saw flop (folded a lot). only went to showdown 17%.

i know those numbers dont mean much, but i am using them as an example of the fact i'm not in a lot of hands...at least tonight.

i am focusing on playing only my "profitable range" of hands and position. that alone had me down to the 16/9/3.

at 25NL, those numbers should play out.

[Jack Sawyer]

You wanted funky cold?
Here you go, tonights biggest hands.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

BB ($15.90)
UTG ($22.70)
UTG+1 ($57.80)
Hero ($24.30)
MP2 ($23.80)
CO ($47.65)
Button ($35)
SB ($6.80)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with , .
UTG calls $0.25, 1 fold, Hero raises to $1, 3 folds, SB calls $0.90, 1 fold, UTG calls $0.75.

Flop: ($3.25) , , (3 players)
SB checks, UTG bets $0.75, Hero raises to $1.5, SB folds, UTG calls $0.75.

Turn: ($6.25) (2 players)
UTG bets $0.25, Hero raises to $1.5, UTG calls $1.25.

River: ($9.25) (2 players)
UTG bets $0.25, Hero raises to $5.5, UTG raises to $18.7, Hero calls $13.20.

Final Pot: $46.65

Results in white below:
UTG has 8s 8c (four of a kind, eights).
Hero has Ks Kd (two pair, kings and eights).
Outcome: UTG wins $46.65.



PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

Button ($15.55)
SB ($43.85)
BB ($58.85)
Hero ($25)
UTG+1 ($23.80)
MP1 ($47.15)
MP2 ($35)
CO ($5.80)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with , .
Hero raises to $1, 4 folds, Button calls $1, SB calls $0.90, 1 fold.

Flop: ($3.25) , , (3 players)
SB bets $0.25, Hero raises to $0.5, Button calls $0.50, SB calls $0.25.

Turn: ($4.75) (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, Button bets $0.25, SB calls $0.25, Hero raises to $3.5, Button calls $3.25, SB folds.

River: ($12) (2 players)
Hero bets $6.25, Button raises to $10.55, Hero calls $4.30.

Final Pot: $33.10

Results in white below:
Hero has Ad Ks (three of a kind, aces).
Button has As Td (full house, aces full of tens).
Outcome: Button wins $33.10.


So I claw my way back to -3 BI for the day, and these happen. Back to back.
Fuck pokerstars.


And, I ahven't seen a single set in 658 hands and counting.
Not 1.

[Chopper]

now were talking FUNKY COLD MEDINA, baby.

those are some of the strangest lines i've seen, my hands included.

thank you for sharing...seriously. it helps the sanity.

but my questions to you:

hand 1) why the minraises? and at what point are you not yet thinking "he has an 8?" i prolly fold that somewhere in the hand, -EV as it may be.

hand 2) again with the minraise? i like the slam on the turn. and, i saw the AT....but only because i was expecting a bad beat...lol.

i need to see where my "set count" is. i cant be as bad as yours.

thanks again.

this can become a "crazy line thread" while we keep seeing them. i like it when we "share the wealth." like i said, it helps the sanity.

[Ash256]

Jesus christ Jack, raise properly please, that is not the way to play poker.

[Deanglow]

You wanted funky cold?
Here you go, tonights biggest hands.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

BB ($15.90)
UTG ($22.70)
UTG+1 ($57.80)
Hero ($24.30)
MP2 ($23.80)
CO ($47.65)
Button ($35)
SB ($6.80)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with , .
UTG calls $0.25, 1 fold, Hero raises to $1, 3 folds, SB calls $0.90, 1 fold, UTG calls $0.75.

Flop: ($3.25) , , (3 players)
SB checks, UTG bets $0.75, Hero raises to $1.5, SB folds, UTG calls $0.75.

Turn: ($6.25) (2 players)
UTG bets $0.25, Hero raises to $1.5, UTG calls $1.25.

River: ($9.25) (2 players)
UTG bets $0.25, Hero raises to $5.5, UTG raises to $18.7, Hero calls $13.20.

Final Pot: $46.65

Results in white below:
UTG has 8s 8c (four of a kind, eights).
Hero has Ks Kd (two pair, kings and eights).
Outcome: UTG wins $46.65.



PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

Button ($15.55)
SB ($43.85)
BB ($58.85)
Hero ($25)
UTG+1 ($23.80)
MP1 ($47.15)
MP2 ($35)
CO ($5.80)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with , .
Hero raises to $1, 4 folds, Button calls $1, SB calls $0.90, 1 fold.

Flop: ($3.25) , , (3 players)
SB bets $0.25, Hero raises to $0.5, Button calls $0.50, SB calls $0.25.

Turn: ($4.75) (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, Button bets $0.25, SB calls $0.25, Hero raises to $3.5, Button calls $3.25, SB folds.

River: ($12) (2 players)
Hero bets $6.25, Button raises to $10.55, Hero calls $4.30.

Final Pot: $33.10

Results in white below:
Hero has Ad Ks (three of a kind, aces).
Button has As Td (full house, aces full of tens).
Outcome: Button wins $33.10.


So I claw my way back to -3 BI for the day, and these happen. Back to back.
Fuck PokerStars.


And, I ahven't seen a single set in 658 hands and counting.
Not 1.

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD STOP MINRAISING

[Chopper]

i love it!! jack, you come in to help a guy who's down, and not only do people start piling on you....but so does the guy on the floor with you.

its like getting your ass kicked in some dark alley, a guy comes in to help save your life, and when he, too, gets knocked down into the muck, you say, "hey, asshole, youre doing it wrong, too."

makes me laugh. i guess my sense of humor has suddenly become demented.

[Jack Sawyer]

Ah yeah. I guess I though I wanted to keep 'em in the hand because my hand looked so strong.
In retrospect, why the hell did I minraise? I must've been sleepy. But that aside, Even if I raised bigger the outcome would have been the same. I can't see a way of my stack not ending up in the pot on these hands.


LOL, feel better now, Chopper?

[Chopper]

you know it.

i'm playing tight as hell right now...just waiting for SOME justice to return.

[Jack Sawyer]

And order was restored.

Sorry for hijacking your thread m8, for whatever reason I was going through the same funkiness ate the exact same time you were.
And to the others: I guess the only real explanation for those minraises was that I was in a tilty state of mind. I'm hopeful its over.


PokerStars (Cash Game): $0.10/$0.25 NL , 7 players
Sat Aug 18 21:25:20 VET 2007


SB (25.4 bb's)
BB (67.8 bb's)
B4 (56.6 bb's)
B3 (60.8 bb's)
Hero (191.4 bb's)
B1 (20 bb's)
BN (178 bb's)

BN is the button.

Precards:
SB posts the small blind 0.4 bb's, BB posts the big blind 1 bb, B1 posts out of turn live blind 1 bb.

Preflop: Hero is dealt K K (7 active)
B4 calls 1 bb, B3 folds, Hero raises to 8 bb's, 3 folds, BB calls 7 bb's, B4 folds.

Flop: 9 6 J (18.4 bb's, 2 active)
[color:#329632]BB bets 12 bb's[/color], Hero raises to 48 bb's, BB raises to 59.8 bb's (all-in), Hero calls 11.8 bb's.

Turn: 9 6 J 2 (138 bb's, 2 players)

River: 9 6 J 2 4 (138 bb's, 2 players)

Final Pot: 131.2 bb's, 6.8 bb's raked
Hero, net: 63.4 bb's, Won at showdown, has K K (a Pair of Kings)
BB, net: -67.8 bb's, Lost at showdown, has A Q (Ace High)
B1, net: -1 bb's, Folded Preflop
B4, net: -1 bb's, Folded Preflop
SB, net: -0.4 bb's, Folded Preflop

[Chopper]

by all means. i didnt mind.

i got a couple back, too. not near enough, but at least i know its possible again.

here...

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

UTG ($30.30)
UTG+1 ($26.45)
Hero ($21.25)
MP2 ($24.35)
CO ($23.45)
Button ($3.55)
SB ($15.55)
BB ($28.35)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A, K.
2 folds, Hero raises to $1, 4 folds, BB calls $0.75.

Flop: ($2.10) T, 2, J (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $1.25, BB calls $1.25.

Turn: ($4.60) 6 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks.

River: ($4.60) Q (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $3, BB raises to $8.25, Hero raises to $19, BB calls $10.75.

Final Pot: $42.60

Results in white below:
BB has Qc Ks (one pair, queens).
Hero has Ah Kh (straight, ace high).
Outcome: Hero wins $42.60.

and...

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

MP1 ($6.10)
MP2 ($13.90)
MP3 ($21.15)
Hero ($19.65)
Button ($2.85)
SB ($30.05)
BB ($16.40)
UTG ($35.85)
UTG+1 ($9.85)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 8, 8.
2 folds, MP1 calls $0.25, MP2 calls $0.25, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.25, Button calls $0.25, 1 fold, BB checks.

Flop: ($1.35) A, 8, 5 (5 players)
BB checks, MP1 bets $0.75, MP2 calls $0.75, Hero raises to $3, Button folds, BB folds, MP1 calls $2.25, MP2 calls $2.25.

Turn: ($10.35) 3 (3 players)
MP1 checks, MP2 bets $0.5, Hero raises to $7, MP1 calls $2.85 (All-In), MP2 calls $6.50.

River: ($27.20) 9 (3 players, 1 all-in)
MP2 checks, Hero bets $4, MP2 calls $3.65 (All-In).

Final Pot: $34.50

Results in white below:
MP1 has 9c Ac (two pair, aces and nines).
MP2 has Qs As (one pair, aces).
Hero has 8c 8d (three of a kind, eights).
Outcome: Hero wins $34.85.

i finally feel like i'm back to the fundamentals.

[drtofu66]

by all means. i didnt mind.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

UTG ($30.30)
UTG+1 ($26.45)
Hero ($21.25)
MP2 ($24.35)
CO ($23.45)
Button ($3.55)
SB ($15.55)
BB ($28.35)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A, K.
2 folds, Hero raises to $1, 4 folds, BB calls $0.75.

Flop: ($2.10) T, 2, J (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $1.25, BB calls $1.25.

Turn: ($4.60) 6 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks.

River: ($4.60) Q (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $3, BB raises to $8.25, Hero raises to $19, BB calls $10.75.

Final Pot: $42.60

Results in white below:
BB has Qc Ks (one pair, queens).
Hero has Ah Kh (straight, ace high).
Outcome: Hero wins $42.60.

Wow, when did Stars players forget how to read the board? Hilarious that he didn't put you on AK or AQ there and stacked off-- check-raising, no less! I'm kind of glad I pulled my roll from Stars. I'd be tempted to go back again.

[Chopper]

these donkeys are getting a little more rare, imo.

a friend of mine played in a biggie last night that might be worse. if you thought that guy in my AKs hand was stoopid....look at these idiots at 50NL...


PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

UTG ($63.30)
MP ($33.05)
Hero ($55.40)
Button ($53.40)
SB ($15.15)
BB ($63.45)

Preflop: Hero is CO with T, T.
1 fold, MP raises to $1.5, Hero calls $1.50, Button calls $1.50, SB calls $1.25, BB calls $1.

Flop: ($7.50) T, 5, 7 (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, MP checks, Hero bets $5.5, Button raises to $12.5, SB raises to $13.65, BB calls $13.65, MP folds, Hero raises to $53.9, Button calls $39.40 (All-In), BB calls $40.25.

Turn: ($62.10) J (4 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($62.10) Q (4 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $180.85
Main Pot: $62.10, between Hero, Button, SB and BB. > Pot won by Button ($62.10).
Pot 2: $118.75, between Hero, SB and BB. > Pot won by Hero ($118.75).

Results in white below:
SB has 4c Ts (one pair, tens).
BB has Ad Jd (one pair, jacks).
Hero has Tc Th (three of a kind, tens).
Button has 9d Kd (straight, king high).
Outcome: Hero wins $118.75. Button wins $62.10.

converter jobbed my boy here...K9s was about equal in stack size to the set of T's and took the pot.

make no mistake, he had 72% equity in the hand as of the flop and lost to a double gutshot runner runner. i see the flush draws, but they all had each other's outs.

when i originally saw the HH, i didnt see the 2 diamonds on the flop. so, i thought this was serious donkey play. now that i see the draws...not the worst. still not great, but whatever.

imagine had the two diamonds not been on the flop, and you'll see why i jumped to post it in here, and why my shock.

[Jack Sawyer]

There are donks on every level, even at 5000NL. I'm trying very hard to not be one at my level.

In other news, I still can't flop a set

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

Button ($23.90)
Hero ($24.15)
BB ($60.05)
UTG ($14.90)
UTG+1 ($24)
MP1 ($15.80)
MP2 ($53.05)
MP3 ($19.90)
CO ($28.95)

Preflop: Hero is SB with , .
6 folds, Button calls $0.25, Hero raises to $1, 1 fold, Button calls $0.75.

Flop: ($2.25) , , (2 players)
Hero bets $1.25, Button calls $1.25.

Turn: ($4.75) (2 players)
Hero bets $2.25, Button raises to $4.5, Hero calls $2.25.

River: ($13.75) (2 players)
Hero bets $17.4 (All-In), Button calls $17.15 (All-In).

Final Pot: $48.05

[Chopper]

that sucks. mine have returned.

another sign youre turning around...your aces get cracked by short stacks, not deep ones. thats happening, too.

not great results, but at least the bleeding is stopped.

bring on the heater. i'll post some hands later.

as for your hand, why only betting the flop at 1/2, especially with the flush draw? love them quads though.