Underrepped Big Pairs vs Regs

[Genitruc]

I check lots of flops vs the better regs at in the donkish games I play. There are lots of reasons for this but that could probably be a discussion for another thread.

Here I’m put in tough spots by 3 regs (all are taggy 18-21/14-17 types, no ridic AF) after underrepping my hand on the flop. I don’t feel that these guys are the types to pull sick bluffs on me but I think they will call me down EXTREMELY light (think bottom pair on a board with no face cards or 1 face card; it has happened more times than I can remember).

All thoughts would be great (except “bet flop!” lol) regarding what they think I have and also wtf they have.

1)

Seat 1: FullTimeDonk ( $216 USD )
Seat 3: HERO ( $613.21 USD )
Seat 4: Pyro_0 ( $391.25 USD )
Seat 5: banana_king ( $211.25 USD )
Seat 6: riffelbahn ( $121.30 USD )
Seat 2: forddk ( $184 USD )
FullTimeDonk posts small blind [$1 USD].
forddk posts big blind [$2 USD].

** Dealing down cards **

Dealt to HERO

HERO raises [$7 USD]
Pyro_0 folds.
banana_king folds.
riffelbahn folds.
FullTimeDonk folds.
forddk calls [$5 USD]

** Dealing Flop **

forddk checks.
HERO checks.

** Dealing Turn **

forddk checks.
HERO bets [$14 USD]
forddk calls [$14 USD]

** Dealing River **

forddk checks.
HERO bets [$41 USD]
forddk raises [$114 USD]
HERO…

2)


Seat 1: crazy_gary ( $261.65 USD )
Seat 2: v_v_v111 ( $253.25 USD )
Seat 5: HERO ( $452.99 USD )
Seat 3: FrankJuonikas ( $140.75 USD )
HERO posts small blind [$1 USD].
crazy_gary posts big blind [$2 USD].

** Dealing down cards **

Dealt to HERO

v_v_v111 folds.
FrankJuonikas folds.
HERO raises [$6 USD]
crazy_gary calls [$5 USD]

** Dealing Flop **

HERO checks.
crazy_gary bets [$11 USD]
HERO calls [$11 USD]

** Dealing Turn **

HERO checks.
crazy_gary checks.

** Dealing River **

HERO bets [$22 USD]
crazy_gary raises [$66 USD]
HERO: ugh
HERO: kq eh
crazy gary: no
HERO….


3)

Seat 5: HERO ( $643.74 USD )
Seat 6: hx032 ( $214.65 USD )
Seat 1: BennyFrandsen ( $391 USD )
Seat 4: Kalhoznik ( $47 USD )
Seat 3: plumsrprised ( $199.15 USD )
Seat 2: Palatset ( $46.70 USD )
HERO posts small blind [$1 USD].
hx032 posts big blind [$2 USD]
.
** Dealing down cards **

Dealt to HERO

BennyFrandsen folds.
Palatset calls [$2 USD]
plumsrprised calls [$2 USD]
Kalhoznik folds.
HERO raises [$10 USD]
hx032 folds.
Palatset folds.
plumsrprised calls [$9 USD]

** Dealing Flop **

HERO checks.
plumsrprised checks.

** Dealing Turn **

HERO bets [$21 USD]
plumsrprised calls [$21 USD]

** Dealing River **

HERO bets [$55 USD]
plumsrprised is all-In.
HERO… (getting about 2-1 into a 270$ pot)

[Silly String]

Why are you getting so friggin fancy? Bet/raise the flop with that shit!

[Deanglow]

I like hand 3 and I think checking the flop with an overpair is a good play at times. But in hand 1 and 2 (esp 1) the flop is too drawy for it. As played, I think you have to fold them both.

[Numbr2intheWorld]

I'd really like to know what your logic is behind your flop play.

And on the hands, it doesn't really matter what they have... it's either a bluff or a big hand and it isn't a bluff enough to call. It's not like the guy is showing up with AJ on hand one or TT on hand 2.

[Silly String]

I like hand 3 and I think checking the flop with an overpair is a good play at times. But in hand 1 and 2 (esp 1) the flop is too drawy for it. As played, I think you have to fold them both.

If you must slow play for value I like bet/check/bet much better. It allows us to narrow our villains range better.

[WildBobAA]

If you must slow play for value I like bet/check/bet much better. It allows us to narrow our villains range better.

agreed

[Genitruc]

maybe i ll start another thread about checking flops with big 1 pair hands vs certain players depending on image and history

in these spots i m just curious about what my hand looks like and opponent's ranges

[Miffed22001]

if i check the flop im raising the turn, but normally id check in position rather than out or check turn to induce a chance of c/r'ing but if this is party just bet every street ffs.

[mixchange]

check those flops if you like to give up value overall and gain reverse implied odds

this tricky stuff is really only useful VERY occasional and in a specific situation with a clear read

[benny999]

have any of them seen you do these c-b-b lines with these sorts of hands?

[Genitruc]

have any of them seen you do these c-b-b lines with these sorts of hands?

pretty sure no

[benny999]

then i guess they were playing straightforward on the river, ie not bluffing hands with showdown value, or even bluffing much at all...and that's all you beat like massimo said.

#2 is most interesting to me. looks like you have mid pair, maybe T9 or 99, or like QJ/QT. so he prob plays JT or J9 like that, pair+diamonds, or a random bluff.
but...you have QdQx and he reraises AK, so he's unlikely to have KQ or a high flush. maybe if ur deeper, b/3b the river as a bluff?

[Numbr2intheWorld]

In hand 1 your hand just looks like a bluff, but if he thought you were bluffing he'd call with most hands, not raise.

Hand 2 he's chatting so you should also be more inclined to fold.

I really would reccomend that you don't check flops with good hands OOP, in position it's a different story.

[Genitruc]

thx man

i srsly appreciate the advice

i m fkin hammered right now... so ignore what i m saying

but

if you re used to playing the turn as if it were the flop, you ll own the regs much more than other ppl. in these cases, i was getting called down so goddamn light... sick spots

i check too many mediocre hands OOP to not check good hands from time to time OOP