Hand vs Fnord

[Fnord]

$1/$2 NLHE 6-max

Your table image is somewhat active and aggressive and cover the table.

Terrible fish with $80 limps
You raise to $10 with
Folded to Fnord with $100 in the BB who calls.
Fish folds.

~$22 in the pot heads-up to the frop
:Th: :Ts:
Fnord Checks, You bet $14, Fnord calls

~$48 in the pot
:Jd:
Fnord Checks, you bet $20, Fnord is all-in.

Comments?

[euphoricism]

Fuck if I know!

*rebuys 20bb*

[EzDuzIt]

why is fnord buying in for 100?
and am i suppose to assume that fnord is good?
because with nothing on the player and only buying in for 100 im not giving a lot of credit to that player.

[Ash256]

Wow.. doing range/equity stuff on pokerstove is interesting. (I know it's cheating :P)

Here's Fnord's sexyrange:

Board: Th Ts 7s Jd
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 13.474% 13.47% 00.00% 166 0.00 { QcQs }
Hand 1: 86.526% 86.53% 00.00% 1066 0.00 { AsJs, As9s, As8s, KsQs, KsJs, KTs, QsJs, QTs, JTs, ATo, KTo, QTo, JTo }

Here it is mixed up with a couple of PPs:

Board: Th Ts 7s Jd
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 33.510% 33.51% 00.00% 634 0.00 { QcQs }
Hand 1: 66.490% 66.49% 00.00% 1258 0.00 { 99-77, AsJs, As9s, As8s, KsQs, KsJs, KTs, QsJs, QTs, JTs, ATo, KTo, QTo, JTo }


Stunning difference IMO.

At first when I was putting hands in I had things like 98 in there, but given eff. stacks I doubted Fnord would be playing them.

Something in me's vaguely tempted to put AA up there as well, but that doesn't feel right.


Conclusion: Fnord's range is wide, wild & dynamic, ragecall prevails.

[Fnord]

why is fnord buying in for 100?
and am i suppose to assume that fnord is good?

Misreading me that badly is reason enough to justify my stack size alone. It does lots of other good things for my game and spots I get myself into.

[Fnord]

That range makes me smile.

[givememyleg]

what if i don't wanna bet $20 on the turn?

[euphoricism]

If fnord had a T, fnord woulda made a move on the flop as a halfstack. He wouldnt risk a check through on the turn.

[Fnord]

what if i don't wanna bet $20 on the turn?

Good point, you think checking here is ideal? Betting more?

[Fnord]

If fnord had a T, fnord woulda made a move on the flop as a halfstack. He wouldnt risk a check through on the turn.

Your thinking is backwards. I should be less inclined to flat call Tx 100 deep than 50 deep. Having less money behind costs less money when I lose the pot to a given card and gives me more ways to get lots of money into the pot.

For the same reason, flat-calling AA/KK pre-flop is a stronger play.

[euphoricism]

Yes, but I dont see you calling pre with Tx, unless its maybe TJs or T9s... and if you did, you'd make it look bluffy on the flop.

[Fnord]

... and if you did, you'd make it look bluffy on the flop.

ah.... I love those lines...

[IowaSkinsFan]

Meh let me think about this a bit more, at first i just lol'd the turn bet size and thought insta call.

I think the correct move is to call as played, but my logic is pretty complicated and possibly overrating you as a player. I'd be very surprised if your not get the money in with your draws on the flop, and that being said I think theoretically you should be getting it in with a ton of your range your putting the money in with on the flop. Although a reason I'd take this line with a draw is because I thought opp knew that I'm getting it in with draws on the flop and is going to fold.

Assuming that you know that you should be putting the money in on the flop with most hands your putting the money in with, I'm going to guess you were floating and or turned a 7 that picked up a gutshot into a bluff.

Another reason I call is this is because QQ is above the range you're putting me on. If I happen to have a draw I'm guessing you have some sort of pair so you're not afraid of putting the money in. I'm pretty sure that you saw the bet as a attempted bet/fold rather to induce a bluff.

Although, I doubt you feel this player has this sort of knowledge about you. If he did than I actually like his turn bet size because it underreps his hand and you have so little draws in your range there's not much to protect.

[Fnord]

lol at my turn bet size unless im instacalling.

A bigger bet pot commits you. Yeah, it was a pretty fishy bet size against me, but I like it against more straight-forward players. In the original hand he only raised it to 4x pre-flop as well, but I thought posting that mistake would have dominated the discussion of the hand.

[IowaSkinsFan]

I rewrote my post Fnord read it.

[IowaSkinsFan]

Adding to my post: Do you think he's a very good player? I'm assuming no since this is obviously live.

[Genitruc]

can't put you on a hand besides a boat so I call and prob get pwned by your KK

[Fnord]

I'd be very surprised if your not get the money in with your draws on the flop, and that being said I think theoretically you should be getting it in with a ton of your range your putting the money in with on the flop.

I'm reading TT7 as a pretty airball flop heads-up even with 2 spades on the board.

[IowaSkinsFan]

can't put you on a hand besides a boat so I call

lol that's what i was thinking.

[Fnord]

Adding to my post: Do you think he's a very good player? I'm assuming no since this is obviously live.

It's online and I don't think he's very good, nor do I think he's really bad. Active, thinking opponent who I've seen open a few pots and tend to bet.

In a live game I'm buying in full.

[IowaSkinsFan]

I'd be very surprised if your not get the money in with your draws on the flop, and that being said I think theoretically you should be getting it in with a ton of your range your putting the money in with on the flop.

I'm reading TT7 as a pretty airball flop heads-up even with 2 spades on the board.

So if you have a draw you don't get it in on this flop? That was exactly my point, I think I get it in with a draw everytime and also with my T's or nut hands to balance.

[Fnord]

So if you have a draw you don't get it in on this flop? That was exactly my point, I think I get it in with a draw everytime and also with my T's or nut hands to balance.

Against an unknown who likes to bet, I mix it up and worry less about what people think of me. Also, if he's giving up on the turn then I still have a shot to take this pot away.

[Fnord]

What's your play if I lead the turn for $30?

[IowaSkinsFan]

What's your play if I lead the turn for $30?

I probably put the rest in. I think it's a jack a lot.

What is your analysis of the hand? I'm interested.

Against an unknown who likes to bet, I mix it up and worry less about what people think of me. Also, if he's giving up on the turn then I still have a shot to take this pot away.

So your saying you don't get it in on the flop with a draw?

[|~|ypermegachi]

snap-call and spike a Q cuz only JJ plays like that.

[Fnord]

I had :Td:

Pre-flop: With the fish in the pot I wanted to GAMB00L here. Plan was to check/shove a bunch of draws or 2 pair+ since I figured to be in a $30 pot with $90 behind. Didn't work out like that though. I probably should have folded though due to poor relative position.

Flop: I think he's got air here and want to let him catch a pair. With less money behind I was enjoying actually having options here without feeling like I'm throwing away the biggest money street.

Turn: Should have led out for $30, but decided to go for the home run.

[IowaSkinsFan]

I was just a level too high lol.

I think your line is bad versus a good player but fine/good given your reads.

[Fnord]

I was just a level too high lol.

I think your line is bad versus a good player but fine/good given your reads.

LoL, I guess I under-level good players with my big hands.