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  1. #1

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    Villain is a TAG regular, who seems decent. I saw he was playing at 3 other tables as well, though i haven't played with him before this session. So i really don't know any specifics about his playing style. I have been playing straightforward at the table, as it has only been a couple of orbits since i sat.

    Best set line for this board texture?

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (4 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

    SB ($514.80)
    Hero ($406)
    UTG ($103)
    Button ($802.05)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with 9, 9.
    1 fold, Button raises to $16, 1 fold, Hero calls $12.

    Flop: ($34) K, 9, 2 (2 players)
    Hero checks, Button bets $24, Hero calls $24.

    Turn: ($82) Q (2 players)
    Hero bets $40, Button calls $40.

    River: ($162) 5 (2 players)
    Hero checks...
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    i d prefer getting more money in on the flop since it's such a great flop to checkraise

    as played I think you need to bet since it's unlikely that you have a hand that calls a bet so I doubt you can profitably CR since he's unlikely to bet his QJ
    when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
  3. #3
    i think that he will probably call a value bet from you if he called the turn.
    but im not sure that he will bet the river himself, he will probably value bet some stuff but i dont see him bluffing a lot. and if he does bet what is he calling a check raise with?
    i kind of feel like hes not calling a check raise with a lot of his range here.. and you miss out on value when you dont bet and he checks which i dont think the small percentage of the time he calls a checkraise makes up for.
    so just value bet river imo.
  4. #4
    bet river
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    i would not do what you did on any street except preflop, which i reraise a good % of time
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    Why no re-raise preflop? What do you do in this situation if the board comes with 1/2 overs? Just check/fold?

    Check/raise the flop if you have a good image to do so.
  7. #7
    if i c/c flop then ill c/r turn not lead turn.

    or

    ill c/r flop. i wouldnt hate a lead on flop here either if you tend to lead a certain % with other stuff.

    or ill repop PF too
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    i 3bet a btn raiser here almost always cause i crush his calling range too

    i think if u c/c flop u should c/c turn and c/r river prob
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    btw this is one of the times where it sucks not to have a clowny image like me
    I got more flava than fruitstripe gum
  10. #10
    c/r flop... at least bet the turn larger. Start c/r these boards with QT, QJ and complete air sometimes
  11. #11
    You need more reads than TAG regular...

    What is your image?
    Do you have any recent history?
    How does he handle flop donk bets?
    Will he stack off with TPTK with you?
    Will he call you down light?
    How often does he steal? Should you have 3bet pre?
    Will he bet JJ/TT for value/bluff on this river, but not call another bet?

    As for how you played it, it does not seem he has a big enough hand for him to call a river c/r. I think AA, 22 or KQ raise your weakish turn bet. Why did you not bet more? Your hand is screaming 'I need to get max value on this dry board'. To get value here you need a better image or you need your line to look bluffy.
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  12. #12
    Quote Originally Posted by Massimo
    Start c/r these boards with QT, QJ and complete air sometimes
    BINGO, something im putting alot of thought into lately. Talked to JGB and TJ about this already. WIth my nit stats i should get alot of respect when c/r'ing flops
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    i like a c/r all in on river but i hate your turn play.
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    i would lead the turn harder for sure. Also I think c/c flop is pretty standard here, unless you have a meatgame where you are c/ring mid pairs and stuff here a lot.

    I think i'd either c/c or c/f my entire range on the flop here.
  15. #15
    I should have 3bet preflop. I didn't have a crazy image or anything at the table.

    I was trying to represent a middle pair type hand with my line, figuring he would value bet K-J+ on the river once checked to. Once he called my turn bet i figured TPGK made up a good portion of his range (Q-x/K-x/two pair or better).

    I decided not to check/raise the turn, figuring if i did so i would fold out anything worse than two pair. check/call seems good too, as it probably doesn't affect my range a whole lot. I think my opponent would probably also value bet the river with K-J+ if checked to (probably 1/4-1/3 PSB).

    Kind of funny how people disagree on check/raising the flop. I chose to check/call because the flop was so dry that i figured a check/raise would polarize my hand range. If i start doing this with more hands like Massimo and others said then this wouldn't be the case. Is being OOP one reason to want to balance my range, or is that irrelevant/style dependent?

    Intuitively, i think that a polarized range has a lot more fold equity than a more balanced range, particularly on an earlier street when my opponent is going to have to face more streets of betting. This could definitely be a flaw in my logic though. Comments on this?


    You're right Jager i will go back and include more information about the table/opponent that i knew at the time.
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    Ambition is fucking great, but you're trying to dig up gold with a rocket launcher and are going to blow the whole lot to shit unless you refine your tools
  16. #16
    Quote Originally Posted by Jager
    You need more reads than TAG regular...
    Why would you post this. He said he hadn't played with him before this session, so what if he doesn't, is he now some sort of bad player?

    Yeah agree with gabe pretty much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan
    Quote Originally Posted by Jager
    You need more reads than TAG regular...
    Why would you post this. He said he hadn't played with him before this session, so what if he doesn't, is he now some sort of bad player?

    Yeah agree with gabe pretty much.
    it was a nice gesture ISF, but i actually went back and added more details about the hand after he posted.
    Quote Originally Posted by Carroters
    Ambition is fucking great, but you're trying to dig up gold with a rocket launcher and are going to blow the whole lot to shit unless you refine your tools

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