100NL KQ on button -- TPGK content

[d0zer]

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (9 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

SB ($99)
BB ($96)
UTG ($108.55)
UTG+1 ($19.90)
MP1 ($74.30)
MP2 ($47)
MP3 ($95.50)
CO ($97)
Hero ($102.90)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K, Q.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $1, MP1 calls $1, 3 folds, Hero raises to $4, 1 fold, BB calls $3, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls $3.

Flop: ($13.50) 5, 6, Q (3 players)
BB checks, MP1 bets $5, Hero calls $5, BB folds.

Turn: ($23.50) 3 (2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets $11, MP1 calls $11.

River: ($45.50) A (2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: $45.50

Watching the villain in other hands, he was playing very passively...both when he hit a monster, and with almost decent hands. Wasn't sure what to make of this hand...

[d0zer]

I had been folding tons of hands prior to this...

[Dude_Here]

looks to me like
A) he was chasing flush hard, maybe with a mid sc and had flush/str8t outs...
B) or he was hoping on a c/r on the river that missed with your check.

my stab at it.

[XTR1000]

I like it.

turnbet could have been ~17 to charge hearts, everything else is fine.

[martindcx1e]

ya it's fine except turn is just a bit weak looking.

[d0zer]

Agreed. Dunno why I bet so weakly...I almost never bet less than 1/2 pot sized.

*punches self in balls*

Turns out villain was calling me down with Q9. Given his passivity -- could you make a case for weak betting the river here also? (1/3d pot sized). He very well might have called. I didn't because of the way I had seen him play a monster previously, and was worried about a slowplay or an ace of course....

[bigspenda73]

all you need to know is how he plays his draws to make the right decisions on this board, otherwise we can assume our hand is good.

[Miffed22001]

i bet 15 on turn as its been said your bet is a bit weak, but other than that i like the bet bet check line much better than bet check call line.

[hopeful]

i dont really get the flop bet. Preflop nice raise showing real strength, the call by villain implies a drawing hand or medium pair. After flop villain bets a bit more than a third of the pot, which combined with the pre flop means not much, this has go to be worth a pot sized raise ($18). i think this ends the hand their and then, any less and you run the risk of being drawn out. I also think the call on the flop weakens the bet on the turn from villains point of view can the 3 help you. makes it look like a bluff following his check.

[XTR1000]

i dont really get the flop bet. Preflop nice raise showing real strength, the call by villain implies a drawing hand or medium pair. After flop villain bets a bit more than a third of the pot, which combined with the pre flop means not much, this has go to be worth a pot sized raise ($18). i think this ends the hand their and then, any less and you run the risk of being drawn out. I also think the call on the flop weakens the bet on the turn from villains point of view can the 3 help you. makes it look like a bluff following his check.

- do you have a plan, if we get c/r´ed?
- do weaker queens call a raise?
- do we want to play a big pot with TPGK?
- isnt it great to have a hand and appear to bluff?

[hopeful]

- do you have a plan, if we get c/r´ed?
- do weaker queens call a raise?
- do we want to play a big pot with TPGK?
- isnt it great to have a hand and appear to bluff?

I like these questions they point out areas i miss, here are my thoughts please let me know what you think (I know i am stll a beginer so no need to be kind)

-we cant get check raised as he had bet, if we get re raised it might confirm that the range i had him on had just improved and we were beat. so we fold. I would doubt a re raise bluff at this point
-weaker quenns dont call but they werent in the range i put him on do i didnt consider them in my choice of bet
-no we dont want to play a big hand with TPGK so shouldnt we finish it here.
-Yes but not if that hand is second best[/quote]

[martindcx1e]

-weaker quenns dont call but they werent in the range i put him on do i didnt consider them in my choice of bet

Why didn't you put a Q in his range? People call raises with face cards you know. They don't only do it with small pairs and sc's.

-no we dont want to play a big hand with TPGK so shouldnt we finish it here.

Calling the small lead keeps the pot small. Raising makes it big. Also, raising blows weaker one pair hands out of the pot usually.

[EricE]

-no we dont want to play a big hand with TPGK so shouldnt we finish it here.

[/quote]

We want to keep the hands we think he has calling (and not folding). Put him on a range of hands and bet to keep them calling. We have the same odds to improve as he does if he has a Q and less odds if he has a PP.

[hopeful]

You are right again. i put him on a drawing hand/ small pair. The drawing hand could easily be QJ, but would a weaker Q normally call?
The pot size raise of $18 is not that different from the two bets that went in any way $5+$11 and i think it has more teeth. I am quite keen to blow one pair hands out of here especially as they might have an Ace kicker and be about to blow me out.

[DaNutsInYoEye]

Make it more PF. When he checks the turn after donking the flop small you have free reign to bet the turn. I bet 3/4+ pot. If you happened to have a draw I'd play the turn the same but would fire again on the river.

[Dude_Here]

god. this site continuously reminds me of how much i have to learn. Nice analyzing guys.

Dude

[martindcx1e]

The pot size raise of $18 is not that different from the two bets that went in any way $5+$11 and i think it has more teeth. I am quite keen to blow one pair hands out of here especially as they might have an Ace kicker and be about to blow me out.

It's not just about how much money we put in ourselves and it's not about what bet has more "teeth." If that were the case then why don't we just go all-in since that move has the most teeth? It's about how much we can extract. Raising to $18 usually folds most weak Queens and you win the $5 lead. Calling the lead and betting 1/2 on the turn is way more likely to extract more from him.