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  1. #1
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    i'm trying to find some spots where my nittyness is being exploited. i'm sure they have something, 2nd pair at least, but where should i continue and where was it ok to fold?

    no reads here. just curious if, w/o a spade, i dropped too soon. i dont like chasing w/ only overcards, but this is such a pussy bet. its prolly just a flush draw, which means i can bump him off when it doesnt hit. and, if its an A-high flush draw, i got him when the A hits the board, but flushy never comes in.

    Absolute Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) Absolute-Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

    Hero ($26.05)
    Button ($19.40)
    SB ($33.58)
    BB ($50)
    UTG ($59.35)
    MP ($33.91)

    Preflop: Hero is CO with A, K.
    1 fold, MP raises to $0.5, Hero raises to $2, 2 folds, BB calls $1.75, MP calls $1.50.

    Flop: ($6.10) 7, 3, Q (3 players)
    BB checks, MP bets $1.25, Hero ??


    again, no reads. just wanting to know if i should call instead of drop. this is a decent bet on river, and i cant imagine i beat anything other than a bluff here. nitty?

    Absolute Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) Absolute-Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

    Button ($56.15)
    SB ($6.80)
    BB ($19.30)
    UTG ($67.45)
    Hero ($29.55)
    CO ($39.15)

    Preflop: Hero is MP with , .
    1 fold, Hero raises to $1, 1 fold, Button calls $1, 2 folds.

    Flop: ($2.35) , , (2 players)
    Hero bets $1.5, Button calls $1.50.

    Turn: ($5.35) (2 players)
    Hero checks, Button checks.

    River: ($5.35) (2 players)
    Hero checks, Button bets $3.25, Hero folds.


    villain here is rather aggressive. he likes to steal pots, but isnt a complete idiot.

    -3bet w/ JJ?
    -i like to semi bluff draws. bad spot here? i figure he cant call w/o Q+.
    -call river? cant imagine i am best here, but i checked river oop.
    i guess that means i should stop semi-bluffing oop?

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    CO ($6.50)
    Button ($25.05)
    Hero ($22.90)
    BB ($34.25)
    UTG ($19.80)
    MP ($73.95)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with , .
    1 fold, MP raises to $1, 1 fold, Button calls $1, Hero calls $0.90, 1 fold.

    Flop: ($3.25) , , (3 players)
    Hero checks, MP checks, Button checks.

    Turn: ($3.25) (3 players)
    Hero bets $1.75, MP calls $1.75, Button folds.

    River: ($6.75) (2 players)
    Hero checks, MP bets $3.75, Hero folds.

    Final Pot: $6.75
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  2. #2
    Hand 2 i'd bet the turn. You have TPTK and the nut floosh draw. Between $3.50-$4. If he flat calls he's may even check behind u on river.
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    you arent worried about "pot control" there? theres a four straight on the board in a hand where he called your flop bet. i figured i am calling most bets here, but why open myself up to a raise and bloat a pot with a hand that just became extremely marginal?

    i typically bet this as a semi-bluff, but lately they have been getting called, so i am backing off the semi-bluffs on the turn a bit...opting for pot control in marginal hands. i think, against the general 25NL player, semi-bluffing as a default play is really just overplaying your hands. anyone?

    i'm not being defensive. i am trying to open myself to more criticism of my thought process.
    LHE is a game where your skill keeps you breakeven until you hit your rush of random BS.

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  4. #4
    Hand 1: Just fold.. it really sucks but you'll be bleeding money if you always call this stuff with nothing..

    Hand 2: Yeah just give up, 4-straight and flush are out there.

    Hand 3: Same things as the other hands.. I'd probably have 3bet preflop, but as played just dump it on the turn.
  5. #5
    I admit that it would suck if he raises you, but I also think you'll take the pot down on the turn more often than not. Unless opp is a total station retard, he can't call you without a K or a made flush, esp. since you have the motorhead card. That said tho, i am b/f turn or c/f river if he calls the turn bet.
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  6. #6
    Hand 1: reraise this puny flop bet, he could be doing this with some mid sized pocket pairs. If he calls, give up.

    Hand 2: I think i like b/f turn

    Hand 3: 3bet pre, post flop is fine.
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  7. #7
    hand 1: if i was going to stay in i would just reraise it big but im not sure i like that at 25nl vs an unknown
    hand 2: bet turn. as played b/f river
    hand 3: 3bet preflop. i really wanna C/R this river.

    edited lol
  8. #8
    Quote Originally Posted by EzDuzIt
    hand 1: if i was going to stay in i would just reraise it big but im not sure i like that at 25nl vs an unknown
    hand 2: bet turn. as played b/f river
    hand 3: 3bet preflop.
    hand 4: i really wanna C/R this river.

    wheres the 4th hand?
    Flopping quads and boats like its my job
  9. #9
    YeaH DefinAtely c/r river in hand 4.. hand 5 I'd pot the turn.
  10. #10
    yeah i edited now lol. i wrote the 3bet part after i saw preflop action then i had to do something, came back and started a new hand. so now u know im not seeing shit.
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    Hand 1: If this was HU I'd re-raise flop. But in a 3 way you are getting called by either a flush draw or a queen. What is your plan then on turn? Also, look at MP's PF line -- small raise, then called your bet. This person looks more like a calling station than someone who is willing to lay down a hand. Pick a better spot and value bet them to death.

    Hand 2 - I'd probably bet more like $2, I like your turn check and fold. This flop is much easier to play in position. Both draws were completed on the turn. Much of villain's calling & non-raising range pf now has completed a draw or has 2p. Just draw to the free spade -- a smart villain may raise your bet here, and you can get the bet back easily if the flush hits the river.

    hand 3- pop it to $6 and watch them fold pf. JJ in a 3 way pot sucks. Checking flop, you are toast -- turn is a fold. Flop bet sucks too because we showed no strength pf and with of all the draws out there, even if they don't have an ace, at least 1 player is calling and we have no idea where we are at, and turn or river is highly likely to bring another overcard or draw completion. If you were gonna be HU I can see the call, but with 2 ppl going in I 3bet to at least go HU. Honestly with JJ I am frequently happy to just take downt he pot PF, almost 9bb is a good winrate for JJ anyway. Going into a 3 way non 3bet pot with JJ is basically looking for a set or to get the luckflop of rainbow uncards... so 3bet here.

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