Another River Shove

[Genitruc]

No Hud for tonight's session. Villain seems taggy and has been playing his big hands extremely fast (CR flops, bet-3betting big draws etc) and seems pretty good. He may think I'm a bit weird as I check-called AK high on JT28J board on river for a pretty big pot vs a donk cpl orbits ago (AK was good; not sure how/if that changes his perception of my range for this hand).

$200 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Monday, December 03, 01:19:00 ET 2007
Table Table 133381 (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 4: msakmsak ( $453.49 USD )
Seat 5: NTTNE ( $182 USD )
Seat 6: HERO ( $261.50 USD )
Seat 1: soont9 ( $187 USD )
Seat 3: Vollkaufmann ( $200 USD )
soont9 posts small blind [$1 USD].
Vollkaufmann is sitting out
msakmsak posts big blind [$2 USD].
Vollkaufmann has left the table.
NTTNE is sitting out

** Dealing down cards **

Dealt to HERO
HERO raises [$7 USD]
soont9 folds.
msakmsak calls [$5 USD]

** Dealing Flop ** (15$)

msakmsak checks.
HERO bets [$12 USD]
msakmsak calls [$12 USD]

** Dealing Turn ** (40$)
msakmsak checks.
HERO bets [$28 USD]
msakmsak calls [$28 USD]

** Dealing River ** (95ish$)

msakmsak bets [$64 USD]
HERO is all-In. (150$ to call into 370)

[Vi-Zer0Skill]

I think it's great if he can fold A-10

[griffey24]

I think this is good if he can fold KQ, but wouldn't be surprised to get shown KJ here sometimes.

[Ash256]

Yea, I think you're getting shown KJ a lot here.

[bair]

you look like you have AQ. i think hes folding a ton here, except for KJ, which he definitely has sometimes.

[zook]

I like it. I think he folds all of his range except KJ and the odd AQ he doesn't 3-bet.

[silu73]

I don't mind it all at all if its done sparingly. I think KJ, AQ, J9 & even 22 are a possibility but if he can fold his pair of Q's then its good.

[benny999]

seems ok, he should fold AT (? if he actually does) and not have AQ, only thing is if he somehow slowplayed KJ on the flop, i doubt he folded for the $28 - seems sorta small to me - maybe for $34 or so.

[Numbr2intheWorld]

Don't bet the turn, he's calling way too much of his range and you have no outs.

I probably fold the river since i don't see him folding two pair and i don't think he leads Qx on the river.

[IowaSkinsFan]

I don't get why we are pushing into such a strong range...

[benny999]

i think the turn is ok if you plan on betting the river to fold JT/QJ type hands...but yea, his river leading range is pretty strong..but might fold <AQ..but not sure he does.

[Numbr2intheWorld]

i think the turn is ok if you plan on betting the river to fold JT/QJ type hands

With no draw this almost always is a shitty line.

[gabe]

I don't get why we are pushing into such a strong range...

metagame!

[Galapogos]

I think a straight's unlikely because he probably wouldn't take such a weak line. Genitrucs says the guy's playing strong draws fast, I assume he means OE straight draws are included.

I think Vi-Zero's right, he has to be able to fold AT here for this to be a good idea.

[Numbr2intheWorld]

ACE BALL

[nutsinho]

This seems pretty god damn horrible. I guess your thinking is that he either fastplays KJ on flop or goes for a c/r on river the majority of the time he's got it. However, the shove still seems very spewy versus such a strong lead and you should probably give up after getting called on the flop- maybe a fake valuetown on river would be good if it had gotten checked all the way down.

[dsaxton]

I don't get it. You raised preflop with garbage, then managed to get all-in after the flop with no pair and no draw facing strength. Looks pretty god-awful to me.

[zook]

Hero's cards don't matter in this hand.

[sauce123]

Don't bet the turn, he's calling way too much of his range and you have no outs.

I probably fold the river since i don't see him folding two pair and i don't think he leads Qx on the river.

[Genitruc]

Question 1) if I was villain in this hand and called the shove with AT how'd I do?

[Genitruc]

Question 2) if I was villain and folded AT to the river shove and was shown 46o, should I jump off a bridge?

[dsaxton]

Hero's cards don't matter in this hand.

If you're getting called a lot of the time, your cards matter.

[Genitruc]

Regardless of whether I was hero or villain in this hand, I'd say hero's cards matter somewhat on the flop, quite a bit on the turn and not at all on the river if we're considering a bluff

but whatever it s just an argument over semantics