Let's talk 4betting

[wufwugy]

Alright. This is a strat post, but I'm positing it here since it's the forum where I post, it's for 1/2 fulltilt fullring, and I'm asking for how to cater to my game in specific. I'm hoping for responses from the better players who sometimes browse and rarely post in this subforum (you know who you are).

In my quest to destroooy 1/2 fullring I have realized that I should possibly be 4bet stealing. What I'm asking for is information on bet sizing, odds, standards, and theory. Really just all information is wanted. I tend to play vs players with pfr of 7-13. I imagine 4betting should really only be done in LP and blind battles. I normally just flat everything IP and 3bet OOP, and haven't been 4betting AA KK. I imagine if I'm gonna be 4bet bluffing then I should those as well.

I've added in these hands from today as I've just begun 4betting. Comment on them in specific or via generalities if you care. I am somewhere around 12/8 and 14/10.

Villian is 22/16 over 800. No history.

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (9 handed) Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

UTG+1 ($155)
MP1 ($357.65)
MP2 ($265.50)
MP3 ($255.15)
Hero ($196.30)
Button ($218.85)
SB ($352.20)
BB ($227.70)
UTG ($250)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A, 8.
5 folds, Hero raises to $7, 1 fold, SB raises to $24, 1 fold, Hero raises to $82, SB folds.

Final Pot: $50

Villian is 20/8 over 600. No history.

Full Tilt Poker, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 9 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

MP2: $525.90
CO: $197.75
Hero (BTN): $194
SB: $200.70
BB: $195.70
UTG: $198.25
UTG+1: $93.05
UTG+2: $188
MP1: $271.35

Pre-Flop: A K dealt to Hero (BTN)
4 folds, MP2 calls $2, CO folds, Hero raises to $9, SB raises to $25, 2 folds, Hero raises to $75, SB raises to $200.70 and is All-In, Hero folds

Results: $154 Pot
SB mucked and WON $154 (+$79 NET)

Villian is 19/10 over 250. No history.

Full Tilt Poker, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 8 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

Hero (CO): $200
BTN: $272.15
SB: $165.80
BB: $205.60
UTG: $201.15
UTG+1: $256.60
MP1: $196
MP2: $47.80

Pre-Flop: J 9 dealt to Hero (CO)
4 folds, Hero raises to $7, BTN raises to $19, 2 folds, Hero raises to $65, BTN folds

Results: $41 Pot
Hero mucked J 9 and WON $41 (+$22 NET)

[wufwugy]

Not even comments on bet sizing? Nice.

[bigspenda73]

I don't like the size in hand 1

Hand 2 looks like a call once you decide to 4bet

Hand 3 is meh sizing as well, too big methinks

[wufwugy]

What are the standards? make it 2x his raise to him? 2.5x?

[bigspenda73]

well there aren't really standards. With a big hand I like to set-up a 3/4PSB shove on the flop. So your bet in hand 1 portrays something like that.

However, i think $70 does the same trick (fold% wise) and doesn't have to work as often.

[wufwugy]

Hand 2 I believe is a fold because villian's range is sooooo much AA KK. The main reason I'm thinking to 4bet bluff at small stakes fullring is that there's some weird phenomenon around decent players felting AA and KK pretty much exclusively, yet 3betting relatively wide.