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    So today I went and defended myself against a traffic ticket for running through a red light. My prep pretty much consisted of googling fighting a traffic ticket the night before and putting together a defence of necessity. I had hoped/semi-banked on the cop not showing up but apparently thats just a myth. Anyways, long story short I somehow pulled out my A-game and won. The only bad outta it is that the crown prosecutor has said he is going to appeal. So now I need to actually do my shit and be prepared. This just happened this afternoon so as it progresses Ill update with info on how Im going to defend myself, etc, etc.

    But basically from what i understand (according to ontario traffic act, seciton 144, sub 18 for refference) running a red light is a absolute liability so I want to understand the prosecutors side so I can defend myself better.

    If anyone here can throw hints, help or suggestions that would be dope. The whole process was fascinating and has reasurred my decision to apply to law school next year as I am finishing my 4th year of my honours bachelors commerce.

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    Kinda funny the CP would appeal the decision. It's not like a capital offense or anything. Anyways, good luck with the Supreme Court.

    When I was a kid in Canada i had a piece of shit car with a bad head gasket. Cop pulled me over and gave me a ticket for no muffler, even though I explained that wasn't the problem. I took it to court and the cop did show up but he actually contradicted himself under cross-examination from me! In the end, the judge chewed out the CP and cop pretty severely for having no evidence, wasting my time and the court's time, etc. It was sooo sweet. And I got to keep my $50, which I desperately needed for beer back in those days.
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    details of how you argued?
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    I think that's hilarious that the CP is going to apeal. Does he not have more important things going on in the day? Where do you live, Riverdale? <---- nerdy Archies reference


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    Circumstances around alleged running of the red light offense? What exactly is a defense of necessity?
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    Quote Originally Posted by gabe
    details of how you argued?
    I presented the argument that I was presented with a situation of emergent and imminent danger. I went on to argue that I had no other legal alternative than to continue through the intersection and more harm would have been caused if I did not take the action that I did. I also emphasized the prevalence of abnormal and horrible weather and driving conditions through the cops written notes and through hourly environment canada weather reports for the night before and morning of. I was also very fortunate that my very leading and suggestive cross examination questions were answered perfectly by the cop including; Admission that I was driving under 40 km/h (yes km) in a 60 km/h zone and therefore taking precaution for bad driving conditions, that I was possibly apporaching the traffic light when it was yellow not red (important), that if I had slid into the intersection I would have almost surely caused an accident.

    I think that's hilarious that the CP is going to apeal. Does he not have more important things going on in the day? Where do you live, Riverdale? <---- nerdy Archies reference
    I guess so, I could tell that It definately burned the CP's chops after the decision was read. He argued that because it was an absolute liability he had to appeal, thats why I want a better understanding of absolute liability vs. defence of necessity for the appeal. And dont worry Ive got like 100 archie comics stashed in my bathroom somewhere from back in the day. (they make good toilet reading, lol)

    Circumstances around alleged running of the red light offense? What exactly is a defense of necessity?
    Cirumstances, I approached a traffic light on a downslope during inclement weather conditions and could not stop, and in turn made the consious decision to accelerate through the intersection before the vehicles waiting at the intersection were able to enter. I was charged with failing to stop for a red indication traffic light. Basically as I was going down a slope approaching a green traffic light it turned yellow, and I was unable to stop, even while travelling slowly, so I sped up and went through as it was red and the cop was waiting at the red light going down the intersecting street.

    The defence of necessity is basically;
    Three elements are required for a successful defence of necessity :
    1. the accused must be in imminent peril or danger
    2. the accused must have had no reasonable legal alternative to the course of action he or she undertook
    3. the harm inflicted by the accused must be proportional to the harm avoided by the accused
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    Last night I went out stupidly and the roads were horrible

    The entrance to our parking loot is on a slope, I was going maybe ~5mph(coasting) went to stop so I could make a left turn onto the road, and slid down the slope across a street and into the parking lot across the street, having zero control of my car. Was pretty scary cause if there had been a car I would of got t boned.


    So I definitely understand your situation.
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