Torn on barreling vs stations here

[wufwugy]

I double vs regs 100% here, but BB is 35/7 over 80ish while UTG is 35/17 over same. Neither are regs and both are obvious stations. I need no metagame or range balancing vs them and they're (especially BB who snapped flop) are the types I'm looking to barrel for value and get called on multiple streets by garbage pairs and draws. I do not think a triple is in order since I think any made hand that calls turn calls river, yet I feel like if I double I hafta triple since there's a lot of draws these stations will call with.

Yet this is a super standard double vs regs and nits, and even stations can lay down hands. I will look pretty strong here and that's so good, but I really dunno what's best so I ask.

I'm playing about 28/25 with a high AF. Usually AF is super high but not this session. HUD won't let me check stats per table so I dunno what I'm at there. I try to and tend to lose respect, but nothing stands out at this table in that regard. Nothing other than just being laggy, which loses a bit of respect as is.

Full Tilt Poker, $2/$4 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

MP: $140.50
CO: $410
BTN: $394
Hero (SB): $965
BB: $444.10
UTG: $362

Pre-Flop: Q K dealt to Hero (SB)
UTG calls $4, MP calls $4, 2 folds, Hero raises to $22, BB calls $18, UTG calls $18, MP folds

Flop: ($70) 9 6 3 (3 Players)
Hero bets $55, BB calls $55, UTG calls $55

Turn: ($235) A (3 Players)

[Numbr2intheWorld]

yeah i think a bet of like 155 is good here. I mean basically they both rarely have an A and will most likely put you on one if yuo double barrel. Pretty simple.

[wufwugy]

Even though I know everybody here agrees with Massimo, it's closer than you think, and checking may actually be correct. This hand deserves more action than it's gotten.

So if I have AK once the turn hits I'm fist pumping for three streets of value, and if I have QQ I'm still looking for at least one more street of value, be it turn or river, no matter the ace being out. If I was really good though I'd probably still go for three streets with QQ against these guys. This means that I obviously believe that they're calling multiple streets or even stacking off with some pairs.

These villains are stations, they're not folding a nine to a double, and then when they call that they're def not folding to a triple. Sometimes 88 77 76 even still looks good. They love calling with pairs, and if anybody's bluffing it's the 28/25.

Massimo's explanation for why betting 155 is super standard when against regs or nits, but these are stations. Granted the more I hammer the more they're gonna put me on an ace, but stations do not think like that often. We make a lot of our money when we get called down my third pair type stuff, and a 35/7 can do that.

I think it's a check.

[will641]

why not check the flop? i check this like 95% of the time, unless im missing something. you are leading into two donkeys that will call with A high.

[wufwugy]

That's close too.

I doubt they're calling with ace high, but definitely with tons of draws and any pair, but pretty much nothing else. I have six usually clean outs, and will take it down on the flop a decent amount of time. I also like the idea Townsend brought up in the Ezra video about continuing to cbet until shown it's unprofitable. That doesn't apply directly here though.

Anyways stations have pretty wide calling ranges pre, and they dont all hit this board, and some that do in forms of draws will often check down turn and river and I'll take it with K high. 22 may be a flop check since we dont have outs and the same equity vs draws.

I like cbetting air vs stations, but not barreling air.

[wufwugy]

Maybe one will call with ace high though. If it was hu I think that's more likely, but even they know it's three handed. Would be pretty sweet if they did since that would be evident of them giving such little respect.

[The Odds God]

BT's idea applies to HU. You are up against two villains here. I like the c bet, unless they are a total stations. I don't like double barrelling into two villains. One, totally standard, but if he is a station, I don't like it.

[The Odds God]

Also, there are different types of stations. Some will fold to a third barrell a lot and some will call you down all the time. If you were up against just one opponent, that knowledge would apply, but against two, it is a spew, I think.

[pocketfours]

I never barrel here with near 0-equity. UTG looks pretty strong. Any K/Q on the river might give you the best hand if the turn is checked through. If you check and UTG leads, then he probably has a hand that would at least call your barrel anyway.

Surprisingly often donks show up with A9/A6/A3 here.

[griffey24]

Just check this flop. This is not a good board at all to continuation bet into against one opponent, let alone two.

Somebody is calling with a pair for sure, and like pocketfours said, also very likely A9/A6/A3.

If the flop was K63, obviously a much better board to fire into two guys.

[Numbr2intheWorld]

i don't get why you're cont betting this flop if you think neither of these guys are capable of folding 9x to a double barrel.

[wufwugy]

If the flop was K63, obviously a much better board to fire into two guys.

You mean if we don't have KQ right?

[bode]

Just check this flop. This is not a good board at all to continuation bet into against one opponent, let alone two.

wait, i thought like 9 high rainbow boards are perfect to cbet?

[wufwugy]

i don't get why you're cont betting this flop if you think neither of these guys are capable of folding 9x to a double barrel.

I cbet a lot, and I think I'm getting enough folds that I keep doing it. Granted this actually probably is a bad spot since a lot of their ranges are hit. With our equity though I can't imagine it being any worse than neutral ev.

Thing about a lot of stations is that they're fold happy on the flop when they don't have a piece. They probably fold about as much as nits do actually. Nits play so much tighter that they have hands more often, but both nits and stations play straight foward and uncreative.

This particular spot I think I didn't figure the positions well enough since they're kinda strong for stations. So that will narrow their ranges some, but if I was MP and they were BTN and BB I'd expect to see all kinds of shit like Q7s that folds to cbets.

The joy about nits is that their ranges are smaller, stronger, but smaller, and they fold to barreling more often. But I still think that generally stations are just as profitable to cbet since their ranges are so much wider and they dump so much of that to one bet.

[wufwugy]

Just check this flop. This is not a good board at all to continuation bet into against one opponent, let alone two.

wait, i thought like 9 high rainbow boards are perfect to cbet?

Funny thing about cbetting (and so much else in poker for that matter) is that excellent players have very differing opinions. Some standard cbets for some are standard checks for others. It's weird but very intriguing and encouraging.

[Numbr2intheWorld]

i just think it's crazy logic to think they are dumping AQ high on the flop but not dumping 9x to a turn double barrel in a multi way pot.

[wufwugy]

Maybe they're not. I hope they're not vs me.