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  1. #1

    Default QQ Bluff

    Am I allowed to do this after I check the turn?

    Villain is running 30/15, not terribly aggro. We don’t have any crazy history. Fwiw I can show up with a real hand here after missing a turn CRAI but there's no reason for villain to know that.

    Seat 1: h2theizzo ($125.80 in chips)
    Seat 2: 16161616 ($58 in chips)
    Seat 3: HERO ($245.10 in chips)
    Seat 4: Kribensis sits out
    Seat 5: FloppyDuc ($428.96 in chips)
    Seat 6: DaManiaC ($197 in chips)
    HERO: posts small blind $1
    FloppyDuc: posts big blind $2
    ----- HOLE CARDS -----
    dealt to HERO
    DaManiaC: folds
    h2theizzo: folds
    16161616: folds
    HERO: raises to $7
    FloppyDuc: calls $5
    ----- FLOP -----
    HERO: bets $12
    FloppyDuc: calls $12
    ----- TURN -----
    HERO: checks
    FloppyDuc: bets $20
    HERO: calls $20
    ----- RIVER -----
    HERO: checks
    FloppyDuc: bets $40
    HERO: raises to $206.10 and is all-in
    when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
  2. #2
    This would be c/c river for me like always.

    I think you're way too often ahead for this to be necessary.
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    flattin ur 4bets, makin u tilt
    miss a turn crai? he bet the turn! you are repping like 78 clubs
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  4. #4
    Your line here is astonishingly weird. I would suggest check/call river as well, and if I was this villain I'd be calling you with a lot of good hands. To speak frankly, this is the kind of baffling play that I see people make a lot with middle pairs (usually worse than QQ), and when they get called & stacked I scratch my head and wonder what the hell they were thinking. The problem is that if a great bluff sells a particular story, your story with this line is "I could have anything! I didn't look at my hole cards! It's fun to make chips go into the pot! Wheeee!" ...which is never a good story to have your money riding on.

    On the plus side, his bet sizing doesn't exactly scream strength and he may be floating on you or just v-betting a medium strong hand like KQ, so this may be successful a lot even though it seems very erratic to me.

    Personally, when I make a big turn or river bluff, I like for the hand(s) I'm repping to be pretty clear, to eliminate the thick-headed idiot and stubborn mule factors. I don't like to leave it to chance that they'll miss what I'm trying to say I have. With your bet line here, it's not remotely clear what he's supposed to put you on - flush didn't get there, something like AQ missed, and most monsters don't match up to your bets.
  5. #5
    OOP + drawy flop + BvB + genitruc + games these days + need info = Bet the turn
  6. #6
    I agree with nutsinho, you're repping like... well... like nothing. Its not even like a backdoor flush got there or something.

    What was the problem with just c/cing?

    I'm assuming you saw his weak ass bet, and thought he had a really weak K and wanted to take him off it?
  7. #7
    hmmm lol @ me - good point about not crai turn when he bet!

    my line makes no sense but I don't think he ever has 1 pair beat and his hand looks a whole lot like KQ

    meh this is a pretty uninteresting hand ; i posted this when I was rly baked last night

    fwiw villain timed down to 1 second and called with... AK wtf! Good hand-reading by him.
    when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
  8. #8
    ur representing 87 of clubs
    I got more flava than fruitstripe gum
  9. #9
    i thnk thats approximately 2% or less of the hands which u would play on the turn this way so villain should be snap calling u with anything he value bet which is most likely a king

    calling/folding r much better options
    I got more flava than fruitstripe gum

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