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    Default I'm terrible with drawing hands

    I'm generally a weak-tight nit. Behold:

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

    SB ($35.35)
    BB ($7.45)
    UTG ($15.50)
    MP ($11.35)
    Hero ($24.65)
    Button ($25)

    Preflop: Hero is CO with T, Q.
    2 folds, Hero raises to $1, 2 folds, BB calls $0.75.

    Flop: ($2.10) K, 2, 8 (2 players)
    BB bets $1, Hero calls $1.

    Turn: ($4.10) 8 (2 players)
    BB bets $2, Hero folds.

    Final Pot: $4.10

    LOL. Implied odds be damned, I'm a 4-1 dog and only getting 3-1 odds. Weaksauce, right? So then yesterday I go the other way with it:

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

    UTG ($24.75)
    MP ($14.90)
    CO ($36.70)
    Hero ($27)
    SB ($122.45)
    BB ($27.75)

    Preflop: Hero is Button with J, K.
    3 folds, Hero raises to $1, 1 fold, BB calls $0.75.

    Flop: ($2.10) T, A, 8 (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets $1.5, BB raises to $4.25, Hero raises to $26, BB folds.

    Final Pot: $10.60

    Results in white below:
    No showdown. Hero wins $10.60.


    A little better, I suppose. The pot is smallish though, and I'm probably flipping (or worse) in most cases if called. Perhaps it would be better to reraise to like $11 or so. That makes the turn difficult though. If villain calls, then shoves a blank turn, I'm finished. Even if he just 1/2 pots it, I can't push back, as I have almost 0 fold equity. If he calls, then checks a blank turn, I could push, but now I have less equity and the pot size gives me less fold equity, so I wonder if this situation is any better than my original line. Perhaps taking a free card and c/f if I miss is the better option?

    No reads in either hand, btw.
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  2. #2
    raise the flop in the 1st one, 2nd one is good.

    idea behind raising the flop is .. 1 ... u get a chacne to take the pot down right then and there, 2, if villain calls, you have a damn good idea where hes at ... if he raises it's good info too (to let the hand go or to jam), and most importantly, 3 ... u effectively buy yourself a river card if u happen to miss the turn. if u raise flop and villain flats, hes gonna check the turn to u like 95% of the time, now because u have position, u can decide to bet again or check behind and draw for free.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marshall28
    2nd one is good.
    I'm not so sure about that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by grnydrowave2
    Quote Originally Posted by Marshall28
    2nd one is good.
    I'm not so sure about that.
    why? you picked up a decent sized pot with K high. im normally pretty happy about that.
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    u had a gutshot straight flush draw ... u r almsot always gonna have like 40% equity here so it cant possibly be a mistake to jam. only other option is to raise to like ~13-16 and call a jam. either is viable, i just didnt look over it very closely the first time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by will641
    Quote Originally Posted by grnydrowave2
    Quote Originally Posted by Marshall28
    2nd one is good.
    I'm not so sure about that.
    why? you picked up a decent sized pot with K high. im normally pretty happy about that.
    The result is irrelevant.
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  7. #7
    Hand 1 is very very very read driven.

    Raising and calling the flop are both fine. It really depends on my opponent's donk range. Mixed feelings on the turn fold, but I think it's close.
  8. #8
    I like the second one. Basically you don't have a hand yet you just have the chance of a hand, some days you hit some days you don't. But what you have done is win the hand regardless of whether or not you actually would have made a hand. Also because you are drawing to the nut flush hand it makes it a harder call when you shove over their check raise.

    How much are you going to get paid if you wait till you hit the draw? probably not a lot. Use the fold equity because you are folding a lot of hands that will beat you the majority of the time and won't pay if you hit.

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