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    Default Fold in blinds with K flush on paired board?

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (6 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

    UTG ($558.55)
    MP ($265.60)
    CO ($94.45)
    Button ($194)
    SB ($222.80)
    Hero ($200)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with A, K.
    4 folds, SB raises to $6, Hero raises to $18, SB calls $12.

    Flop: ($36) 3, 5, 2 (2 players)
    SB checks, Hero checks.

    Turn: ($36) 8 (2 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets $16, SB calls $16.

    River: ($68) 5 (2 players)
    SB bets $44, Hero calls $44.

    Final Pot: $156


    I thought his range here is weighted towards mid pp because he was 4betting AK and big pairs. So I checked flop because I expected him to reraise. Then I hit on turn, and threw a tiny value bet. Probably shoulda done $26

    This is Vs good thinking reg soccertease. This river is a fold, or do we have to call? he can't be betting a Q for value, so fold right?
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    Default Re: Fold in blinds with K flush on paired board?

    Quote Originally Posted by mixchange
    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (6 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

    UTG ($558.55)
    MP ($265.60)
    CO ($94.45)
    Button ($194)
    SB ($222.80)
    Hero ($200)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with A, K.
    4 folds, SB raises to $6, Hero raises to $18, SB calls $12.

    Flop: ($36) 3, 5, 2 (2 players)
    SB checks, Hero checks.

    Turn: ($36) 8 (2 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets $16, SB calls $16.

    River: ($68) 5 (2 players)
    SB bets $44, Hero calls $44.

    Final Pot: $156


    I thought his range here is weighted towards mid pp because he was 4betting AK and big pairs. So I checked flop because I expected him to reraise. Then I hit on turn, and threw a tiny value bet. Probably shoulda done $26

    This is Vs good thinking reg soccertease. This river is a fold, or do we have to call? he can't be betting a Q for value, so fold right?
    With your action, he knows that most of the time you don't have a big flush here.
    If you had bet $26 on turn then it would make your river decision easier.
    I think I call here also.
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    I think bet/calling the flop is fine. Yeah you have to call the river now
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    Calling river is definitely fine. Not so much cause you might be behind, but because I doubt he calls a raise/shove on this river with the Qs or worse anyhow.

    not much value in raising.

    I agree with previous posts though, I don't mind bet calling this flop and bet stronger on turn.
  5. #5
    first i would bet 30 on the flop

    and snap call the river imo
    I gotta get back to the money....
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    uhhh ... nobody wants to b/3b the flop all in?.... if AK is out of his range and he does end up having the A of spades ... you are ahead. albeit not by much but if you factor in the times that he has a mid pair that he will checkraise but fold to a jam, it makes the play very profitable ... even if he does get it in w/ a mid pp, you are a favorite w/ 2 overs, 2nd NFD and gutshot.
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    i dont know why you didnt bet the flop. call river as played.

    also i really disagree with you that soccertease is a v good thinking reg. thinking reg maybe, but not good.
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    I think river is a fold, but yah maybe your weak turn bet induced a river bluff from him. That's why I'd bet 24$ on turn and make an easy fold if he leads river on a pairing board.
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  9. #9
    A fold on the river is terrible. I think the river bet is a blocking bet way more than one for value. I definitely call.

    If you are the villain and have the As, what is your line?
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    I've never played 1 hand with soccertease but I would be b/c the flop and call the river for sure.
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    To everyone who wants to bet the flop, what range are you putting someone on here who is very aggro in blinds and likes to 4bet a lot but instead flat calls here. Maybe I am making a range mistake? Seems weighten to me towards low/mid PP which I will get raised on the flop. 22-88 I think he 4bets 99+ and AQ/AK. I guess I'm ignorant of his 3b calling range here, help needed

    oh and will, sorry I forget all the online forum guys definition of good is "super awesome ownage huge winner should play 25/50" he's not awesome but definitely wins at his stake. Sorry if I sound rude, I guess I should just say "reg" as people seem defensive of about using the term "good". I don't mean to be rude at all but i dont know how else to type that. sorry
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    heh. villain had a boat, 55

    I was hoping someone would answer my question about his range here. I didn't like betting the flop because I felt like his range was made up more of mid pp's...

    I think the river is a crying call but a fold OK in retrospect. But I should be betting turn much stronger

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