100nl deep, aa oop, 3-bet and caller - how much to 4-bet?

[daven]

deep villain's range is AKs, QQ+, other villain's range is pairs. I don't want this pot multi-way, and I think that most flops will scare me. Pushing almost looks bluffy - thoughts?

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $1 BB (7 handed) Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

BB ($91.70)
UTG ($84.90)
MP1 ($73.65)
MP2 ($160.50)
Hero ($356.40)
Button ($219.10)
SB ($253.15)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A, A.
UTG calls $1, 2 folds, Hero raises to $4.5, Button raises to $16, 2 folds, UTG calls $15, Hero raises to $???,

[badgers]

So ridic deep there';s no way you can flat. I don't think pushing looks bluffy at all because so deep you're not going to be shoving AK particularly against this tight player. Just 4bet to $40 or something.

[Keilah]

+1

[daven]

So ridic deep there';s no way you can flat. I don't think pushing looks bluffy at all because so deep you're not going to be shoving AK particularly against this tight player. Just 4bet to $40 or something.

this is where i'm struggling. Doing this gives villain set odds, and any flop paint card is scary cos I'll struggle to fold AA here post-flop. Most flops I'll be betting 2/3 psb and that makes a fold to resistance very hard to find...

oh, and if you want ridiculously deep - the villain who donated to my stack earlier was 700 deep and open pushed a JJ6 flop in a limped pot - 66>AA but scary...

you play a lot of 100nl - don't you find yourself playing 200+bb deep a LOT of the time? I've only been here a few days and I'm regularly seeing 300-500bb pots go down.

[jimmy44]

So ridic deep there';s no way you can flat. I don't think pushing looks bluffy at all because so deep you're not going to be shoving AK particularly against this tight player. Just 4bet to $40 or something.

this is where i'm struggling. Doing this gives villain set odds, and any flop paint card is scary cos I'll struggle to fold AA here post-flop. Most flops I'll be betting 2/3 psb and that makes a fold to resistance very hard to find...

oh, and if you want ridiculously deep - the villain who donated to my stack earlier was 700 deep and open pushed a JJ6 flop in a limped pot - 66>AA but scary...

you play a lot of 100nl - don't you find yourself playing 200+bb deep a LOT of the time? I've only been here a few days and I'm regularly seeing 300-500bb pots go down.

That's why I believe you need to 4bet to around $50-$55

[Fnord]

$50ish good. Don't trick yourself into fucking up a great hand.

[badgers]

yeah sorry $50 is probs better.

Do you play the 200BB deep tables? I don't find myself in that many deep spots but I buy in for 100BBs at stars.

[daven]

yeah sorry $50 is probs better.

Do you play the 200BB deep tables? I don't find myself in that many deep spots but I buy in for 100BBs at stars.

I buy in 100bb deep, but I often play at the 200bb tables - seem to get more action cos it's almost as though I'm a shortstack.

So I get a hand or two, end up 150-200 deep - and usually covered by a big chunk of the table. Hit again and it's pretty deep - I'm only in my first week at 100nl but I've already been 500bb deep and covered. I don't like it though, out of my comfort zone with that big a stack... (hell, the first $350 pot I lost to a four-outer got me churning enough as it was - imagine $1k!!!)

anyway, I had no idea what to do so I raised to $140, big stack folded and UTGfish called his remaining $70 as a donation to the daven grind fund - JJ. Board was KQ747 so it all worked out fine - but I think I played it badly...

[Seabass]

If UTG didn't call I would make it around 40, with him in I think around 55 is good.

Shoving might not be the best way to play but ain't horrid either, I rather see you shove here then make a small raise and mess things up.