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I have you beat... fold your jacks..

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    Default I have you beat... fold your jacks..

    -this hand happened vs me and a regular taggy player
    -We haven't had many hands together today, though I know he 3-bets pretty light at times (weak suited aces etc) and also squeezes pretty often
    -we're somewhat deep on this table and another table. I 3-bet him once while deep on the other table and he 4-bet me and I folded
    -this is the first time I've 4-bet him this session and I can't recall him every flatting a 4-bet of mine before, and especially not OOP

    -My hand is :Kc: :Qd: , but I'm trying to figure out the most believable line to fold a hand like JJ (assuming villain can fold JJ).
    -We have no real history in 4-bet pots together, so he has no history on how I might value bet or bluff in this kind of spot
    -If I'm set on bluffing one more street, which scenario is the best for ME

    $2/$5 No Limit Holdem
    6 players
    Converted at weaktight.com

    Stacks:
    UTG Jibby147 ($205.30)
    UTG+1 123hardt ($286.39)
    CO Scooby82 ($493.00)
    BTN ME ($840.65)
    SB Jas0707 ($517.40)
    BB YOU ($899.55)

    Pre-flop: ($7, 6 players) YOU are BB :Jd: :Jc:
    3 folds, ME raises to $15, Jas0707 calls $13, YOU raises to $65, ME raises to $155, Jas0707 folds, YOU calls $90

    SCENARIO 1
    Flop: ($325, 2 players)
    YOU checks, ME bets $140, YOU calls $140

    Turn: ($605, 2 players)
    YOU checks, ME bets $395, YOU...




    SCENARIO 2
    Flop: ($325, 2 players)
    YOU checks, ME bets $140, YOU calls $140

    Turn: ($605, 2 players)
    YOU checks, ME bets $556 and is all-in, YOU...



    SCENARIO 3
    Flop: ($325, 2 players)
    YOU checks, ME bets $140, YOU calls $140

    Turn: ($605, 2 players)
    YOU checks, ME checks

    River: ($605, 2 players)
    YOU checks, ME bets $395, YOU...



    SCENARIO 4
    Flop: ($325, 2 players)
    YOU checks, ME bets $140, YOU calls $140

    Turn: ($605, 2 players)
    YOU checks, ME checks

    River: ($605, 2 players)
    YOU checks, ME bets $556 and is all-in, YOU...
  2. #2
    The turn bet is more believable. I don't think it matters much either way how much you bet as long as it's over half pot.

    In any case, if he called your 4-bet with Jacks because he thinks your FoS. He's probably not going to fold an over-pair in an under 3 SPR pot.
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    I agree, I don't think he's going to fold JJ to you ever here.


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