river play?

[Chopper]

nevermind stakes or player reads, other than they are mostly passive. they call down light, but do fold to river bets/raises when they are weak...no matter the size of the pot. my question is to which is the better play on river? two scenarios: 1- do i call getting 8:1 and hope no one raises behind? (its not likely that i will see the raise) or do i fold...giving up on a decent pot since there is likely a call station behind me? 2- if HU, how does the play change?

0.05/0.1 Limit Holdem
9 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($2.62)
UTG+1 ($1.60)
MP1 ($2.43)
MP2 ($2.23)
MP3 ($1.93)
CO ($2.79)
BTN ($0.33)
Hero ($1.50)
BB ($1.44)

Pre-flop: (1.4 SB, 9 players) Hero is SB
5 folds, CO calls, BTN calls, Hero calls, BB checks

Flop: (4.0 SB, 4 players)
Hero bets, BB calls, 1 fold, BTN raises, Hero calls, BB calls

Turn: (5.0 BB, 3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, BTN bets, Hero calls, BB calls

River: (8.0 BB, 3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, BTN raises, Hero ??

[epic]

I fold the river. BTN COULD be just firing away with an ace because he's short-stacked, but with 2 people besides you still in the hand (one of them firing away), and you only having 4th pair, I can't justify giving up another river bet.

[KoRnholio]

Yeah I fold too unless this villain is capable of playing a draw this strongly. Even T9 is ahead of us now though, so all we beat are missed flush draws.

[okiman]

Especially against passive players, I'd fold the river.

HU, it depends on reads. Most passive players won't raise draws (even strong draws) and you're very likely behind. Against a player with at least enough aggression to raise a draw, I'd call. There are enough combo draw hands out there that still haven't made and the price is great for a crying call (of course the price would be much smaller unless BB was in and folded the turn to make this HU on the river only). The oesd has you beat, but a lot of runner/runner sds-flush draws-over combos you're still ahead of.

[socal1111]

I max-bet flop!!!!

C/R turn (j/k - sorta).

Getting 8:1, not knowing if BB overcalls... very read-dependent on BTN.

[Ragnar4]

Hero has 14 reliable outs on the flop, and should have 3-bet cap called the flop. Remember in this situation you only represent 33% of the money going into the middle, but have right around 50% equity of the pot with your nasty, nasty draw by the river.

As for river this is usually a fold for me unless i have a nasty read on my opponent(s). Even with 10bb in the pot in this spot. Then again, opponent probably goes limp without a set or better on the turn if you cap the flop.

[nutsinho]

uhhh fold u have a pear of 4s

[DrivingDog]

You have a huge draw on the flop but probably not the best hand at the moment. So I think you want to keep BB in the pot by just calling the flop raise.

I'd strongly consider donking the turn or river if we improved, but we didn't so it's c/c, c/f.

You don't want to be calling with fourth pair in a multiway river no matter how big the pot is. Leave that play to the fishies.