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 Originally Posted by will641
Originally Posted by Fnord
Originally Posted by will641
wtf just say trips !!1
Trips is two on the board. 3oak is either a set or trips.
I played nice and gave you my thinking here, your turn.
If you want to know my hole cards you had that chance for $237 minus pot equity.
i explained my thinking basically. i just didnt really think you were bluffing enough. even though i had been 3betting light, i hadn't really been fucking with UTG. at the time i thought you easily could be doing this with AK, although looking back on it, i kind of doubt you are cbetting AK there, although i cant rule it out. i guess mainly i thought you wouldnt 2x barrel bluff me there without the goods given the circumstances.
dozer, i didnt raise flop because he will will call sometimes almost never with JJ? there are very few FD's he has.
this might seem like a broad assumption, and it might be true/might not, but i would guess that u undervalue the relative strength of your hands in 3bet and 4bet pots.
in a 4bet pot in particular, a pair is like the super nuts. i mean, in a 3bet pot top pair is the nuts ... so in a 4bet pot, there is even more money in the pot on the flop, meaning the equity of your draws/marginal hands is much much less important than winning the money already in the middle. for the most part, folding even ace high in a 4bet pot i woudl assume is pretty bad ... though i dont really play 4bet pots unless somebody flats my 4bet, in which case i almost always jam.
if he ever folds JJ to your flop raise, you make SOOOOOOOOOO much money the times u move it in w/ worse.
why were u flatting preflop if not to get it in on this board? i think this is probably a ridiculously huge leak.
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