50nl, villains flatting big hands

[yourfather]

So I recently moved to 50nl, played ok was up a couple buy ins. Then dropped 4 BIs yesterday, mostly because people were limping/flatting monsters.

Example, sorry no HH.

I am otb with JJ it folds around to me. I raise it 3.5 bbs, sb folds, bb calls.

Flop is pretty dry, like 8 5 3 rainbow. BB checks I bet 4/5 pot, he calls. Turn is a 9, He check raises, I shove over. Maybe didn't play it well but I don't see how I am folding here against unknown.

He has KK.

This happened to me multiple times with villain either limping then 3 betting preflop or limping calling with AA, KK and AK and completely effign my ranges.

This can't be normal can it? Anything I can do here or just unlucky and playing against retards? Tilted me quite bad.

[dalecooper]

This kind of stuff is getting more common and you just have to be wary of it, and remember it happens. If someone does it to you, take a note on them. Otherwise it's just a play like any other - not terribly common, but it should affect how you figure people's hand ranges.

[kmind]

take notes and then switch seats

[bjsaust]

8 5 3 rainbow. BB checks I bet 4/5 pot, he calls. Turn is a 9, He check raises, I shove over.

Name the hands you're ahead of here.

[dalecooper]

8 5 3 rainbow. BB checks I bet 4/5 pot, he calls. Turn is a 9, He check raises, I shove over.

Name the hands you're ahead of here.

That's totally read-dependant, isn't it? But generally check/call, check/raise isn't a line that indicates weakness.

[yourfather]

8 5 3 rainbow. BB checks I bet 4/5 pot, he calls. Turn is a 9, He check raises, I shove over.

Name the hands you're ahead of here.

Pretty much only A8, A9, 1010 and draws maybe random 9x, 8x 66,77. I am not sure I had this hand recorded accurately and as I said, I didn't play it great either.

Alot of bad players do jam the hands above on turns even though the 9 did not help them if they previously had a hand like tpgk.

I was more concerned with the overall trend of playing big hands like this and was probably on tilt somewhat as I dropped a few BIs at other tables to the same type of thing.

[bjsaust]

A leak I've had to plug is calling with bluff catchers because I HOPE they're bluffing, rather than because I have any real reason to think they're bluffing.

You pushed over because you HOPED he was bluffing here.

[pankfish]

This is really a decent spot to just call with KK if you are ever going to do it. You are opening a wide range from the button I assume, he already has you isolated.