200nl- played this like crap

[ATOTHEC101]

villain is a donating donkey running 50/10/3 over 100 hands. On the turn i was going for a checkraise but im thinking i should have just bet near to pot. Then on river do you ever bet this for value or just check call hoping to catch a bluff, i think i should have gone for the latter.

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $2.00 BB (9 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP1 ($191.00)
MP2 ($140.50)
MP3 ($197.00)
Hero (CO) ($259.35)
villain (Button) ($160.75)
SB ($165.00)
BB ($272.35)
UTG ($201.40)
UTG+1 ($208.20)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 10 10
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $2.00, 3 folds, Hero raises to $9.00, villain calls $9.00, 2 folds, UTG+1 calls $7.00

Flop: ($30.00) 9 4 7 (3 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $24.00, villain calls $24.00, 1 fold

Turn: ($78.00) 6 (2 players)
Hero checks, villain checks

River: ($78.00) K (2 players)
Hero bets $40.00, villain calls $40.00

Total pot: $158.00 | Rake: $3.00

[BankItDrew]

villain looks a lot like wiffed king high flush.

everything looks good but i prefer to check call rivers here.

[d0zer]

I prefer to bet the turn to get value from flush draws & the nines yer ahead of

[jimmy44]

everything looks good but i prefer to check call rivers here.

This

[BankItDrew]

I prefer to bet the turn to get value from flush draws & the nines yer ahead of

I'm 50/50 on betting the turn.

This hand looks a lot like small PP's / drawing hands. By checking, we certainly get a call when we bet the river and we might get bluff action into us on wiffed drawing hands. Checking oop here can get 3 streets of value too.

[daven]

bet turn, check call river.
You moved up at the same time as I moved down! nice... how;s the air up there?

[Im_new]

yea... bet turn...C/C river

[ATOTHEC101]

bet turn, check call river.
You moved up at the same time as I moved down! nice... how;s the air up there?

NITTY :/.

[ATOTHEC101]

ok, lets say we check the turn to villain, and he almost pots for 65-70, i really hate check calling in this spot so its an easy shove over yes?

it's harder to check/raise when you LED THE FLOP

you're supposed to check/raise when it's not going to get checked behind... as in against an aggressor from the previous street

[Miffed22001]

there are 3 streets of value for me in this hand.
the only hand im concerned with is JJ and considering he'll look up 3 streets with A9/A7 type hands you know he is playing at 50/10 i think turn is an easy bet setting up a river push for value or a c/c his big bluff.

Id bet 55 on turn, possible fold to a shove (but i doubt it) and check to opp on river and let him bet

[ATOTHEC101]

it's harder to check/raise when you LED THE FLOP

you're supposed to check/raise when it's not going to get checked behind... as in against an aggressor from the previous street

I dont overly get what your trying to say here but the amount of times i see villains in pos stab at the turn for a healthy bet when checked to is ridiculous, they see my flop bet as a c bet and just think im giving up with overs thus they bet, most of the time on a semi bluff or with the worse hand. Thats what im getting at here though I now agree i should have bet near pot myself rather than checking.

[ATOTHEC101]

there are 3 streets of value for me in this hand.
the only hand im concerned with is JJ and considering he'll look up 3 streets with A9/A7 type hands you know he is playing at 50/10 i think turn is an easy bet setting up a river push for value or a c/c his big bluff.

Id bet 55 on turn, possible fold to a shove (but i doubt it) and check to opp on river and let him bet

agree, anywho results, villain had kj diamonds so not only did i let him get there i even bet the river for him , yup ive played hands better. drew you win the special hand reading prize.

[ATOTHEC101]

another very similiar hand to the one above, is betting the turn once again the optimal play? what makes the decision harder was that the villain was a complete unknown.

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $2.00 BB (9 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (MP1) ($200.00)
MP2 ($83.70)
MP3 ($100.00)
CO ($200.00)
Button ($170.05)
SB ($304.00)
BB ($205.00)
UTG ($38.95)
UTG+1 ($164.25)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with J J
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $2.00, Hero raises to $9.00, 2 folds, CO calls $9.00, 4 folds

Flop: ($23.00) 6 10 5 (2 players)
Hero bets $17.00, CO calls $17.00

Turn: ($57.00) 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $34.00, Hero calls $34.00

River: ($125.00) 8 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $108.00, Hero folds, 1 fold

Total pot: $125.00 | Rake: $3.00

Results in white below:
CO didn't show.
Outcome: CO won $122.00

[Im_new]

another very similiar hand to the one above, is betting the turn once again the optimal play? what makes the decision harder was that the villain was a complete unknown.

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $2.00 BB (9 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (MP1) ($200.00)
MP2 ($83.70)
MP3 ($100.00)
CO ($200.00)
Button ($170.05)
SB ($304.00)
BB ($205.00)
UTG ($38.95)
UTG+1 ($164.25)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with J J
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $2.00, Hero raises to $9.00, 2 folds, CO calls $9.00, 4 folds

Flop: ($23.00) 6 10 5 (2 players)
Hero bets $17.00, CO calls $17.00

Turn: ($57.00) 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $34.00, Hero calls $34.00

River: ($125.00) 8 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $108.00, Hero folds, 1 fold

Total pot: $125.00 | Rake: $3.00

Results in white below:
CO didn't show.
Outcome: CO won $122.00

As played, I prefer to shove over on the turn... Often times, he floats this kind of flop with pairs less than TT.

[BankItDrew]

Hand 2: I prefer the way you played this hand vs. Hand 1.

I like the option of c/r turn here but I tend to lean towards the c/c line.

[Miffed22001]

another very similiar hand to the one above, is betting the turn once again the optimal play? what makes the decision harder was that the villain was a complete unknown.

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $2.00 BB (9 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (MP1) ($200.00)
MP2 ($83.70)
MP3 ($100.00)
CO ($200.00)
Button ($170.05)
SB ($304.00)
BB ($205.00)
UTG ($38.95)
UTG+1 ($164.25)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with J J
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $2.00, Hero raises to $9.00, 2 folds, CO calls $9.00, 4 folds

Flop: ($23.00) 6 10 5 (2 players)
Hero bets $17.00, CO calls $17.00

Turn: ($57.00) 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $34.00, Hero calls $34.00

River: ($125.00) 8 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $108.00, Hero folds, 1 fold

Total pot: $125.00 | Rake: $3.00

Results in white below:
CO didn't show.
Outcome: CO won $122.00

on the turn i feel we are good loads so i c/r rather than betting as villain can easily call a pot bet and bluff lots of rivers.
Also this donkey doesnt know to take a free card so he will bet something (something pretty dumb normally) so c/r isnt worse than a lead bet

[d0zer]

drew you win the special hand reading prize.

Yeah but I win the "how to play the hand correctly now that we know the results" prize

/resultsOriented



I still think that someone who's this damn loose over 100 hands should be a great candidate for flop/turn value on a drawey board with an overpair.

As played I probably c/c the river like a station hoping he'll bluff the river scare card, but maybe I should stop expecting bad players to be this advanced

[ATOTHEC101]

drew you win the special hand reading prize.

Yeah but I win the "how to play the hand correctly now that we know the results" prize

/resultsOriented



I still think that someone who's this damn loose over 100 hands should be a great candidate for flop/turn value on a drawey board with an overpair.

As played I probably c/c the river like a station hoping he'll bluff the river scare card, but maybe I should stop expecting bad players to be this advanced

na c/c rivers when the board blanks out against average/bad villains is +++ ev, i dont know why i didnt do it myself, would have likely saved myself some money on that first hand.