Stats question for FRNL

[PalmiCa]

Hi

I am playing poker for 2 years, but never to seriously.
My friend gave me his hand history from PO, all hands from FT NL 100 and NL200 with more than 200.000 hands.
He told me what stats to use, but is there any article about this, or can somebody tell me if there is something more I should look for.

My current stats for my opponents :
Number of hands.
VPIP - Vol. Put In Pot
PFR - PreFlopRaise%
Flop-Turn %
Continuation Bet %
AFT -- Aggr. Factor Total
Showdown %
ShowdownsWon %

I really do not know how to use showdownwon% and showdown stats to my advantage?
What stats are u using, why and how.

Thank You very much.
Sorry for my english

[Im_new]

For me the most important ones are VPip, PFR and AFT. A big differential between the Vpip and the PFR tells me that I'm playing with a Limp-Tard! (I love them, especially loose limp/callers to my right ).

AFT, I use to see how likely this guy is to pay off my small pairs turned set, and my SCs/draws by showdown. The greater this number, the more likely I am to call his raises pre-flop because I know he's probably going to bluff at least one street most of the time. And when he does, I steal it back.

And, I'm not entirely sure how to "use" the Showdown statistic. However if this number is lower than 50% or so (that's just a guessed middle ground), I imagine that you're either playing too passively (not betting enough) or you're being a loose call station (calling everything down and chasing unlikely draws) with medium/weak hands. This seems like a statistic meant to highlight other flaws in your game rather than help you in play.

I hope this helps .

p.s. your english is fine. It gets the point across well.

[PalmiCa]

Thank You, I am thinking the same way for VPIP ,PFR, and AFT stats.

Flop-Turn % - I guess limpers have greater % and players with lower % I will bet more often on Flop.
Continuation Bet % - if CB is greater than 50% and AFT very high I would call or bet more hands than usually???

I would like to know statistic from You guys.
Your Showdown% and Showdown_won%, I really do not know what is statistic from good solid tight aggressive players.

[Im_new]

exactly... when the CB is high, be more willing to float draw heavy flops with top and second pairs on occasion. Dryer flops are sketchier for me, because you likely never have a draw and you may be facing a second barrel...? That's a very read dependent situation.

[PalmiCa]

Nobody else wanna discuss about this?

Is there any more valuable or must have stats that You use all the time?

[daven]

http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...se-t75719.html

[PalmiCa]

This is good example, but not what I want, because there was no explanation what those stats means, and how to use them.
I have few more questions :
3-bet% is that only from PF ?? - like to make the 2nd raise in preflop??
( What if there is a second player 4bet and 5th all in - is that 3-bet for all of them or just for first one? )

What is 3-bet-Steal%? Is that when limp C/R from early?

How Do u define limpcall% = ( limp - call bet ) / ( limp- fold + limp-call + limp - bet ) or
limpcall% = ( limp - call bet ) / ( limp - fold + limp-call )
and what is when limp-bets from EP?
Attempt2Steal - is this really important at NL100 and NL200 because this is so rare situation when nobody calls or bets before Dealer or D+1?

And I still do not know how to use SHOWDOWNWIN%, so for now I am using:
VPIP, PFR, AFT, ContBet %, FoldContBet%, 3bet%, Fold3bet%, Shodown % and last that I do not understand but I think is must have limpcall%.

Please help me with my doubts.

[badgers]

attempt to steal is really important at any level imo because it shows how positionally aware the player is.

[PalmiCa]

attempt to steal is really important at any level imo because it shows how positionally aware the player is.

And how will u use that info? What numbers represent good player?

More questions:

What means Fold3b% -is that when player folds after second bet, at all streets or only at PF?

Sorry for so much questions
But I do not wanna misinterpret HUD stats, that would be very -EV

[badgers]

Yeah I can understand you not wanting to become confused.

To interpret the ATS stat to get a view of how positionally aware a player is, just look at the stat and compare it to his pfr. If there is a big difference they are positionally aware. If a player is running 23/20 with 25 attempt to steal they are not very positionally aware and the are opening far too many hands in EP. You just found a leak, now you can exploit them.

I'm fairly certain fold to 3bet is preflop only. It's not a stat I use however since I feel it is totally dependant on the dynamic and how he views you, not something you can pick up from a HUD. It is also only used when that player raised preflop in the first place.

[PalmiCa]

Is ATS calculated for Dealer and D+1 or just Dealer bet ( when nobody bet before )?
I see your point.
When they have low ATS and to high VPIP and PFR, they will probably raise with AJ or KQs, ATs or worst from EP, so what to do If I have AQ for example or TT, should I 3bet him or just call, what would be more +EV ?
If there is great chance that u have better kicker than he could be stacked with AJ,AT...but if u 3bet him then sometimes he would fold with worst hand.
I suppose I would bet if there is more players calling him, because I wanna isolate him, but if he is alone or maybe just 1 caller I think is better to call with AQ, 99-TT , what is your conclusion?

PS. Still do not know what limpcall% means, formula for LC% and is SHOWDwon% important and how to use it?

[daven]

Attempt2Steal - is this really important at NL100 and NL200 because this is so rare situation when nobody calls or bets before Dealer or D+1?

are you really planning on playing nl100 and nl200 without knowing the answer to this?

Anyway, attempt2steal relates to any steal when limped to in the cutoff, button, or small blind. And yes, it happens a bunch, at all stakes.
Also, as Badgers said, it also provides some indication of positional awareness.

The relationship between pfr and attempt to steal is important.
If steal % >>> pfr, then villain is probably positionally aware.
If steal % is close to pfr then probably not.

you're asking a lot of quite simple questions. Nothing wrong with that! I suggest you could gain a lot from opening the strategy tab here and readign the articles, also read the stickied posts in the beginners forum.

[wufwugy]

back when i sucked i used hud to get better, but now that i dont suck i eliminate hud so i dont outlevel myself, and work on more realistic reads and frequency balancing.

[PalmiCa]

Attempt2Steal - is this really important at NL100 and NL200 because this is so rare situation when nobody calls or bets before Dealer or D+1?

are you really planning on playing nl100 and nl200 without knowing the answer to this?

Anyway, attempt2steal relates to any steal when limped to in the cutoff, button, or small blind.

Att. to Steal Blinds % - Percentage of times that a player raised from the button or the position just before the button when there was no one yet in the pot, out of all the times he was in this situation.
I think SB is not included in this calculation.
If he bets from SB, he is out of position.

Anyway, tnx

[badgers]

are you really planning on playing nl100 and nl200 without knowing the answer to this?

Anyway, attempt2steal relates to any steal when limped to in the cutoff, button, or small blind.

[daven]

from the list of definitions used to define stats on the HUD i use:

Steal = When someone raises from the CO, button or Small Blind when the pot is unopened.

but whatever, i don't really care that much if you believe me here...

[badgers]

unopened =/ limped pot.

fwiw I didn't think this stat included the SB for some reason so we're both wrong. I just wanted to use the new emoticon, no offence intended

Here's the PT3 version which I think is the same just better explained.

A steal is any first-in raise (i.e. not after limpers) from the cutoff, button, or SB, regardless of table size.

[daven]

unopened =/ limped pot.

A steal is any first-in raise (i.e. not after limpers) from the cutoff, button, or SB, regardless of table size.

oops, i somehow knew that but wrote it differently. Wonder what my steal+raise behind limpers stats look like? i like to iso.....

[PalmiCa]

I copy pasted from Pokeroffice. So PO doesn t count SB.
I agree that SB sometimes steal BB, but is this a prove of positional awareness? If u bet from SB?
What if a guy that is pos. aware bets from dealer 60%, from cutoff 40% and from SB 20%, that would be ..around 50% in Pokeroffice stats for stealing and 30% at PT ...so that s why I was asking.

This is just discussion about stats...

PS. Do u steal from SB position as often as u steal from Dealer?
I guess u don't.

[PalmiCa]

I guess this is the last question, when people are talking about aggression factor, they usually mean aggression factor total and is this formula for AGT= all bets divided with all calls ( from PF and all streets ) ?
What is more important to calculate preflop or not, do You use AGT only to see if your little pairs are going to have value if they set or something more?