AQ played passive in the blind

I felt pretty meh about this hand... do we think this is ok?

EDIT: villain 15/10/3.5 28% steal over 300 hands


No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (7 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

CO ($48.35)
Button ($27.80)
Hero (SB) ($112.50)
BB ($110.30)
UTG ($100)
MP1 ($20.50)
MP2 ($65.45)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q, A
3 folds, CO bets $3, 1 fold, Hero calls $2.50, 1 fold

Flop: ($7) 8, A, 10 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $4, Hero calls $4

Turn: ($15) 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $9, Hero calls $9

River: ($33) 8 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $18, Hero calls $18

Total pot: $69

[mxiu]

stats? seems pretty standard

[Deanglow]

Not really much else you could do

[mxiu]

28 steal makes this an easy c/c to the river

[yuenjai]

i probably 3 bet pf

[Parasurama]

I think 3b pre is a mistake because you fold most hands that you dominate and his calling range likely is ahead of AQ, obviously villain's fold to 3b stat would be helpful

fold to 3bet obv not significant over 300 hands

[Sprayed]

If you aren't willing to get it in pre with this hand, then don't 3bet. If you think that you are ahead then fine. But, I think that 3betting AQs against a 15/10 would be suicide and a waste regardless of position. Depending upon the player, I'm normally 3beting if I'm bluffing or when I'm OK with getting it in preflop. Call and see a flop and play it as you did.

[Deanglow]

I disagree with the "if you aren't getting it in preflop then don't 3bet" idea. I 3bet AQs a lot vs CO and BU from the blinds and often fold to a 4bet.

[Im_new]

I disagree with the "if you aren't getting it in preflop then don't 3bet" idea. I 3bet AQs a lot vs CO and BU from the blinds and often fold to a 4bet.

++++1

[Sprayed]

I disagree with the "if you aren't getting it in preflop then don't 3bet" idea. I 3bet AQs a lot vs CO and BU from the blinds and often fold to a 4bet.

Can you explain further as to why it would be better to 3bet/fold to a 4bet with AQs? I would think that we are losing value with this hand and would want to see a flop instead of turning the hand into a bluff.

because he will flat call a lot of the time and AQs is ok with that happening

[w272727]

i doubt he triple barreled bluffed here..if he did he is an idiot, i think he prob has AK in which case a 3bet would be bad with AQ...not considering table dynamics i think this play is generally fine..

[mixchange]

I disagree with the "if you aren't getting it in preflop then don't 3bet" idea. I 3bet AQs a lot vs CO and BU from the blinds and often fold to a 4bet.

Can you explain further as to why it would be better to 3bet/fold to a 4bet with AQs? I would think that we are losing value with this hand and would want to see a flop instead of turning the hand into a bluff.

3betting here is NOT as "bluff" as AQs is *definitely* ahead of a CO or button range. However, just because you're ahead PF doesn't mean you outflop him post-flop.

We 3bet because:

1) Initiative. We 3bet OOP here because we take initiative from CO
2) We have a hand that doesn't flop well about 2/3 the time.
3) Villain will fold a lot on flop with the best hand if we 3bet. So we increase the pot size and increase our chance of taking it down.

[badgers]

It doesn't matter whether we are ahead of his opening range or not. It is a bluff if he is only continuing with better (which is possible esp. if he's a 24 tabling nitreg).

Calling is def an option also, although @ sprayed - note we are OOP here.

[mixchange]

we're really talking shades of grey here badgers, i think we're on the same page

if he is ONLY continuing with top 2% of hands well we just 3bet our garbage and flat our premiums. Anyway good point that 3betting here is opponent dependant. I'll call a lot in these types of spots, it's not an auto 3bet.

I didn't mean that this is NEVER a bluff vs. the right opponent, but that it shouldn't be just thought of as a "3b bluff" but as "part of your 3betting range" which vs. some villains will be only be called by better, and others call much wider. We 3b based on opponent.

[badgers]

yes you're right but I think it's important to make the clarification that it is his calling range that is important. To take it to an extreme, shoving with AT here would be a bluff even though it is ahead of his opening range.But yes I am being deeply pedantic.

Calling and 3betting are both options but I would lean towards calling without history or detailed stats...

[aka_red]

I disagree with the "if you aren't getting it in preflop then don't 3bet" idea. I 3bet AQs a lot vs CO and BU from the blinds and often fold to a 4bet.

Muahaha I'm going to 4b 100% of my opening range to exploit you!!!

[Sprayed]

I understand and agree that it is player dependent and I would 3bet a lagtard and be happy to get it in. However, against this guy, there's no way that I'm going to 3bet AQs because I don't want to get it in preflop against his range. I would think that I'm wasting the value of this hand against his range if I 3bet/fold. To me this seems like I'm turning the hand into a bluff. Also, 28% steal is not that out of line.

[Deanglow]

I disagree with the "if you aren't getting it in preflop then don't 3bet" idea. I 3bet AQs a lot vs CO and BU from the blinds and often fold to a 4bet.

Muahaha I'm going to 4b 100% of my opening range to exploit you!!!

What the hell makes you think I'd ever fold an ace to you

[aka_red]

I disagree with the "if you aren't getting it in preflop then don't 3bet" idea. I 3bet AQs a lot vs CO and BU from the blinds and often fold to a 4bet.

Muahaha I'm going to 4b 100% of my opening range to exploit you!!!

What the hell makes you think I'd ever fold an ace to you

My powerful all-in betsizing!

[BankItDrew]

*BUMP*