AK bad fold?

[AFchung]

I know i should have peeled the river, I hit fold without thinking.

When we call the turn how big of a bet are we calling on the river?

48/10 over a good sample. villain does not fold to preflop raises after he's invested money in it

No Limit Holdem Tournament
$3.00+$0.40
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG jspitty (1130)
UTG+1 holiday1981 (1595)
CO Dittmensch (3980)
BTN Vegas Parano (3130)
SB Hero (1625)
BB terence85 (2040)

Blinds: 25/50

Pre-flop: (75, 6 players) Hero is SB
2 folds, Dittmensch calls 50, 1 fold, Hero raises to 200, 1 fold, Dittmensch calls 150

Flop: (450, 2 players)
Hero bets 350, Dittmensch calls 350

Turn: (1,150, 2 players)
Hero checks, Dittmensch bets 100, Hero folds

Final Pot: 1,150

Dittmensch wins 1,250 ( won +600 )
Hero lost -550

[taipan168]

Wow, sorry to be harsh but that's a really horrible fold on the turn getting almost 12 to 1 pot odds. I would definitely call the turn bet and call a bet on the river provided that it isn't a club.

[GatorJH]

bets like villain allways tilt me and they seem to be the nuts 99% of the time. It's almost like he wants to give you the odds to call with a non flush hand.

With all of that I still call here. You have to because there is at least a 10% chance he is doing this without a club.

[AFchung]

Wow, sorry to be harsh but that's a really horrible fold on the turn getting almost 12 to 1 pot odds. I would definitely call the turn bet and call a bet on the river provided that it isn't a club.

thanks for reading the first line of my post

[kstarm]

I don't hate folding here as I think you are going to get another chance to double-up with that loose of play.

With that being said ~12:1 are big odds. I would reluctantly call the turn and re-evaluate. A 950ish stack is still enough to make moves at this blind level if he pushes the river and you are forced to fold. As for the river it sucks being OOP. I look at the bet with a little more emphasis on it in relation to my stack vs strict pot odds. I would personally call around 150-250 on the river. He may be "bluffing" but it doesn't take much here to beat you, especially if you don't improve on the river.

... I would definitely call the turn bet and call a bet on the river provided that it isn't a club.

How does a club on the river change our position here?

[-----bryce]

you made the right play. if you just play a little bit tighter you will easily bust that guy.

[IronMonkey]

Im gonna have to let you know you probobly should have raised on the turn and posed as a good club. If he came over the top though then fold.

[Kbryce23]

Wow, sorry to be harsh but that's a really horrible fold on the turn getting almost 12 to 1 pot odds. I would definitely call the turn bet and call a bet on the river provided that it isn't a club.

Do you see that there are 4 clubs on the board?

[taipan168]

Wow, sorry to be harsh but that's a really horrible fold on the turn getting almost 12 to 1 pot odds. I would definitely call the turn bet and call a bet on the river provided that it isn't a club.

Do you see that there are 4 clubs on the board?

Sorry, I misread the board . Lesson to me to try to post between hands on a table!

Still, I would definitely call the turn bet and see what happens on the river, if opp bets again (unless it's a very tiny bet) I let it go.

Wow, sorry to be harsh but that's a really horrible fold on the turn getting almost 12 to 1 pot odds. I would definitely call the turn bet and call a bet on the river provided that it isn't a club.

thanks for reading the first line of my post

Sorry to have been harsh

[boos1122]

I hate situations like this. You got a good hand and than there are stupid flush draws and the one with the bad hand can win.

I think i had done the same like you. You see 3 clubs and 1 ace and you think you are good if there dont come another club. If there werent an other club came then you probably had won. Its just unlucky. You cant always win. Sometimes its a bad unlucky game and sometimes fantastic.

My oponion about this: fold to much flush draw. you dont look very strong and the other doubles up if you call. A good fold is better than a good win

[GatorJH]

thats an automatic fold sure top pair looks good but is it going to beat the flush no way in hell

Wait..... top pair doesn't beat a flush? I think I have found a leak in my game.

Kevin, next time try a reply that has a little analysis in it instead of simply stating the obvious.

[Poker Orifice]

Yah I hate when donks pull this crap. Most often (as mentioned above) they're holding the nuts and are giving you odds where you've gotta call. Sometimes though, they're holding a hand that is vulnerable as hell and are leading out because they figure that they have to bet.. like checking is just weak.... so out comes the f'n puney bet instead. I've folded too many times only to discover that this was the case. Gotta call here (as you mentioned above).

[Kijjo]

AF, I'm sorry to see so few of the folks have answered your actual question (refer back to the original post if you think it's about the turn). I don't really have an answer for you because in this situation I'd never get to the river unless the turn got checked.
I understand that sometimes folks are bluffing here, but after calling the flop bet and the turn brings another, I don't care what the pot odds are because unless I have a sign that says "This guy's bluffing every hand every street" OR "everytime he underbets he's full of crap/scared" over his name, I'm letting it go. If that's the case and I really think he's full of crap, I'm raising, not calling.

[FlowJoe]

I cannot fold here, it worth the $100 to go. Odds are he has a pair, no clubs and you are holding tp pr. Possiblilty of a chop on river also pulls me forward. It's cheap, call if he's solid, wild player raise, and see where you are at. Lotta times He folds!
Peace,
FLOW