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    Default too thin?

    UTG is 20/17/3.2AF standard uncreative TAG, MP caller is 28/14/1AF over 80 hands, but basically unknown. Note that i am 150bb eff., the 2 villains are 200bb eff. After villain calls turn, he pretty much always has a mediocre 1 pair hand or a low flush, sets are almost all trying to get it in on the flop, but i dont know villain so maybe lower sets are in his range too.

    Too thin? Standard?

    No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    saw flop

    MP ($200)
    CO ($100)
    Button ($110.10)
    SB ($136.20)
    Hero (BB) ($155.45)
    UTG ($222.50)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with 9, 9
    UTG bets $4, MP calls $4, 3 folds, Hero calls $3

    Flop: ($12.50) K, 3, 9 (3 players)
    Hero checks, UTG bets $7, MP calls $7, Hero raises $25, 1 fold, MP calls $18

    Turn: ($69.50) 7 (2 players)
    Hero bets $34, MP calls $34

    River: ($137.50) 5 (2 players)
    Hero bets $92.45 (All-In)
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    c/f river vs mp, if it was utg it would be closer to a jam.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ATOTHEC101
    c/f river vs mp, if it was utg it would be closer to a jam.
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    c/shove the turn !!
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    c/shove turn confuses me since i have no clue what he's bet/calling that's worse and i don't feel like he's betting the turn as a bluff pretty much ever when we check to him.
    This line seems better than that but i think the river as previously stated is a pretty clear c/fold.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marshall28
    c/shove the turn !!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexos
    Quote Originally Posted by Marshall28
    c/shove the turn !!
    christ no
    It's way better than betting turn and shoving river.
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    But its not better then bet turn, c/f river
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravageur
    c/shove turn confuses me since i have no clue what he's bet/calling that's worse and i don't feel like he's betting the turn as a bluff pretty much ever when we check to him.
    This line seems better than that but i think the river as previously stated is a pretty clear c/fold.
    Kx will bet/call .. it'll bet, then it'll feel committed to calling thinking you have a naked Ad, or he will have a diamond himself and talk himself into calling. If he checks back turn you can safely value bet the river knowing you have the best hand (given it's not a diamond obv).

    When you bet turn and get raised you have to fold and don't get to realize your additional equity to boat up which is the worst possible outcome, you want to avoid that at all costs.

    Your hand is too vulnerable to c/c, b/f sucks, b/c sucks too, c/f obv is terrible, if you bet flop and he calls you have no idea where you're at on the river anyways and are going to be playing a guessing game, not one of those options is any good. C/shove is the only good option.
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    After flop do you really think he has kq and he will b/c this turn 150bb deep? I dont think this guy bets anything less then a flush. aFter he calls again on turn i dont expect him to bluff river often either
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    1. C/ring is better if it get's a call from KXh.
    2. B/fing is better if villain won't bet the turn with worse.
    (also as in that we get little to no value on a 4th heart when turn checks)

    I think, and that's my assumption, that number 2 is more likely so that would make it a b/f for me.
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    b/f the turn is the clear choice in my mind, and what i planned on. The river is really what confused me, but c/f is pretty obvious looking at it now.

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    Guys, there is something I'm failing to understand.
    Why don't we b/f about $40-45 on the river? This villain is not going to push with a hand that we beat.
    Isn't there value vs KQ/KJ/KT/(maybe also AK) or are we expecting him to raise these hands on the flop? Even villain being quite passive?

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