50nl: Turn play?

[wordtothewise]

Reads:
sb: Fish running 75/6/1 I am willing to open up over 60 percent of hands to get in as many pots with this fish.
bb: Another fish. 17/6/3.4 calling over 33 percent from the bb.

Flop feel standard. Turn? He is aggressive but I did not believe on such a dry board a raise on this turn would accomplish much. What are your thoughts on range and how to proceed?

$0.25/$0.5 Deep Pot Limit Holdem
8 Players

Stacks:
UTG ($50.65)
UTG+1 ($24.95)
MP1 ($52)
MP2 ($61.35)
Hero ($57.55)
BTN ($74.40)
SB ($37.25)
BB ($66.10)

Pre-Flop: ($0.75, 8 players) Hero is CO
4 folds, Hero raises to $1.50, 1 fold, SB calls $1.25, BB calls $1

Flop: ($4.50, 3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $3, SB calls $3, BB calls $3

Turn: ($13.50, 3 players)
SB checks, BB bets $7, $7 to Hero ($53.05)?

[daven]

i think pre-flop is too loose, even given the described dynamics.
Flop bet $4
turn, I really think that this is a fold. His range is flush draws and hands that destroy yours, and a 6% pfr type is definitely biased towards made hands in this spot.

what are they gonna do, play OOP with total crap against you? O NOES, THAT'S TERRIBLE

hand is suited so it's not total trash
turn is a call
he could have like QQ here or something
we have blockers against TT

but he has so many hands like 85, 45, etc. that we're ahead of
we also have a boat redraw if he has 67 and he's going to pay us off if we hit anyway because he's bad and doesn't know relative hand strengths

[badgers]

Preflop is marginal/ doesn't really matter.

Agree with Daven on flop, $4 is far better, the SB at least is still peeling any gutshot etc.etc.

Turn is a pretty clear call. River action?

[daven]

Turn is a pretty clear call. River action?

shit, didn't see that you turned two pair.
Turn is a call.

[wordtothewise]

Turn: ($13.50, 3 players)
SB checks, BB bets $7, Hero calls $7, SB folds

River: ($27.50, 2 players)
BB bets $27.50, $27.5 to Hero ($46.05)?

[wordtothewise]

what are they gonna do, play OOP with total crap against you? O NOES, THAT'S TERRIBLE

hand is suited so it's not total trash
turn is a call
he could have like QQ here or something
we have blockers against TT

but he has so many hands like 85, 45, etc. that we're ahead of
we also have a boat redraw if he has 67 and he's going to pay us off if we hit anyway because he's bad and doesn't know relative hand strengths

Thank you for this statement! I will respect all of your comments here on out.

[wordtothewise]

i think pre-flop is too loose, even given the described dynamics.
Flop bet $4
turn, I really think that this is a fold. His range is flush draws and hands that destroy yours, and a 6% pfr type is definitely biased towards made hands in this spot.

I believe beluga mentioned something about card advantage, skill advantage and position when approaching a hand. I believe I have two of the three skill sets over this villain so this is a no brainier raise for me. Also, maybe it is incorrect to use stove here( I am not a big numbers person). However, I believe t5s vs. his range vs. 60 percent range I have 40 percent equity.

[d0zer]

ugh river's probably a fold given there's not really any worse 2pr in his range. T8+ is pretty likely given his sizing...sets most of the time imo.

In the heat of the moment I probably cry, call, then cry again when shown better. Just doesn't seem like a bluff line when he calls flop then takes initiative on the turn.

[badgers]

Yeah I think river's a fold. I can't see him vbetting full pot with worse very often and I doubt he has draws/air much from his turn play. I think I would call a 1/2-2/3 pot bet here though, with that bet size he could have KT/AT maybe 45s/85s too.

[wordtothewise]

Thanks guys! Solid responses.