She told me ambition was sexy.

[dev]

I made a decision some months ago that I would be playing poker just for the money mainly to persue other things in my life. It happened when I realized I was burning myself out a bit by playing too much. Most days I would wake up in the early afternoon and play online for a few hours, then head to a home game. By the time I got out, I could go to the local breakfast place and order a soupy frittata before bed. Trying to fit in workouts and any sort of a social life always resulted in failure. So if poker was the background, the 'job', then everything else could come first for most of my life. Looking at it in that respect meant that poker was a lot less interesting, and I ended up with the opposite problem: I didn't play enough from September thru December.

So over the course of January, I got back to playing the hours I needed to play. Everything worked well, I was better off on February first than I was on January first. Poker as "just a job" worked great, I didn't have to worry about it anymore! Poker was just my job. So why did I just recieve my latest amazon order with 3 poker books included? I can't get away from it, I'm afraid I'll be working to learn at poker for the forseeable future.

I've been playing poker for a living on and off for a few years now. I started way too soon, continued when it made no financial sense, took a waiting job to make things work, and left that job as soon as I could. The first time I made a reasonable decision about playing for a living was when I quit that last job. I have a proven winning style and am perfectly capable of making enough to support myself. There is one major problem: my winning-est style is short stacking. Short stacking is pretty boring, but one can't doubt it's effectiveness.

Here's the plan: I play my 50 hrs/month short stacking to pay the bills, etc. and I spend the rest of my online playing time working on tournaments or full stack poker. Since the home games generally interfere with my sleep and work out schedule, I'll play 2-3 games per week that wont run till 6 or 7am.

Hopefully this way I can either build up enough of a bankroll cushion that the increased variance of not short stacking wont matter, or I get good enough AND develop enough of a bankroll cushion that short stacking is no longer the best way to pay the bills. This op thread will be about the lessons learned, ups and downs, and hopefully for me to receive advice from you, yes YOU.

[dranger7070]

First. Good luck man. Pretty sure we've never ran into each other here, but it'll be interesting to see you make the transition from short stacking to full stack. Full stack=nuts imo. But then again short stacking=easy moniez.

GLGL

[dev]

Thanks dranger.

I played a session earlier today where I made almost exactly my expectation. I don't think that's ever happened before.

Anyway, the short stack game is so mechanical that I've gotten into the habit of reading the chat box and occasionally commenting. A guy 3 bet my LP raise from the blinds and I folded. Then he was kind enough to tell me that short stacking isn't profitable. Thank god he's there to stop me, all the luck over the past few hundred thousand hands will even itself out any time now.

About the chat box... I've used it really only to get reads on regs and help tilt people out if they seem to be going over the deep end. When I used to play with a full buyin I tended to not even see the chat box. Is it an unnecessary diversion or an asset to your game?

[dev]

For some reason the text box to post doesn't show up in firefox... odd

Anyway, I ran really bad in a session late last night. After it was over I drank quite a bit and found out today that playing hung over is -EV. I made 3 very specific mistakes that should have been avoided, and my session would have been + if I hadn't made them.

Coffee, sandwich later, I'm hoping my next few sessions tonight will turn out well. If I can get 4+ hours in tonight then I'll be ahead of schedule on the month and I can play some deepstack tomorrow.

*screws head on straight* Once more into the breach, dear friends!

[dev]

I got caught up on my regular hours and played a session of 100nl today. I played 5 tables. I doubt I'm going to go up much higher than that on this site. I have no hud and I can't load hands into a database while I play. The HHs suck anyway, so they don't import right. Here's the info on the session:

I ran 24/21/6 over 500ish hands for -$148.30.
The session ended early on a software crash. It ran just over an hour. I had to make some tough folds and I got drawn out on a lot. I cut my losses quite a bit on the big hands but I made some questionable river calls in medium sized pots.

I took the following notes as as I played:
(since the software crashed at the end, it'll take some digging to find the HHs for some of these, but I will post them)
- I'm uncomfortable, I haven't played a fullstack online since August.
- I'll have to keep the agro up, only a few hands in I've check-called on two flops already.
- My preflop agro should be almost the same as short stacking. The only differences will be that I have the option of flatting a 3bet, and I can play a lot more with implied odds hands.
- These games are playing super passive, I should beat them for a pretty good amount.
- I ended up HU with a guy who's in the gold card 500 top ten every week. He's a little erratic. Probably a decent player, just not used to HU.
- I'm having to make some pretty uncomfortable laydowns. Players are either slowplaying way too much or making really bad bluffs that are working on me like a charm.
- I've always tended to be too loose/too agressive so I'm happy that I'm actually making laydowns.
- made kind of a bad 3bet in hand 1769011464001217. I'm lucky it worked. The player hesitated a lot to cbet and my first impression was that the bet was really small. Given the board and my image, it was probably a bad spot to c/r bluff.
- 2 hands vs goofball. first one i might be able to avoid trouble by just flatting preflop in the SB, second one he's repping exactly nothing on the turn. Maybe I should have just pushed.
- There's so much passive play that I may have to tone down the post-flop agression. I'll keep the heat on preflop because I don't mind playing bigger pots with loose/passives.
- The shortstackers here have no clue what they're doing. You can't play tight/passive with 20-40bbs.
- Assuming the fish are short stacks, is it better to sit with position on the regs with deep stacks or on the fish?
- Hand 1769011607001333, I thought the Q was a great card to continuation bet on, but the V's stack size was so odd I couldn't come up with a reasonable amount. The river bet was kind of hopeless.
- goddamnit this fucking software keeps crashing.

I'm thinking that I'll get some money in a site where I can use a HUD for the deep stack play. Maybe FTP will get back to me about rakeback.

[dev]

Notes from 2nd fullstack session today:

- Some of these unknowns are so passive that I'm just completely misreading them. Then again, one guy did check behind me with the nut straight when I had 2p.
- minraises taste like candy.

So there I was, missing draws, getting beat set over set, etc. When something wonderful happened. I was harassing a tagg/lagg reg to my right with raises and 3bets when he challenged me to a HU match. I cut the session short and started playing HU with him on 4 tables. He was ok, but he totally disrespected my game and I think I had him a bit tilted out from the get-go. I was ahead in almost all of the AI pots, I'm going to go over the HHs and try to draw up some statistics on it. 4 tables over the course of an hour should give a reasonable sample set.

I love playing HU. Seriously, it's awesome. It gets me excited and interested. It's soooo much fun. I'd focus on that for a while, but I think about what a bad day would be like playing HU for a living, and I really don't want to experience that.

Thoughts on HU challenges:
- The challenger is probably tilted.
- When you're multitabling and you put your opponent to a tough decision, play faster on the other tables so they're distracted. :P
- If you want to accept challenges, read ISF's post about headsup http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...ts-t59610.html
- This could be very lucrative if I let my roll get to the point where I can accept them while short stacking...

The regular fullstack session was 37minutes -$89
The HU session was 1 hour, +$482.74. An even 400 from the challenger, the 82 or so was from random donks that sat down while I was waiting for the challenger.

[dev]

Notes from the recent session:
- Yes, they're really bad, that doesn't mean I have to be bad, too.
- If they raise UTG then call a 3b with 54o, they're probably not folding to cbets much in smaller pots.
- Respect the big river bets more.

1hr, +$58

Hand 1)
Cake Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (10 handed) - Cake-Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

UTG ($130.90)
UTG+1 ($186)
UTG+2 ($169.09)
MP1 ($97.65)
MP2 ($21)
MP3 ($98.50)
Hero (CO) ($102.60)
Button ($50.15)
SB ($113)
BB ($20.50)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 5, 3
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $1, 4 folds, Hero calls $1, 1 fold, SB calls $0.50, BB checks

Flop: ($4) 4, J, 5 (4 players)
SB checks, BB bets $4, UTG+1 calls $4, Hero calls $4, 1 fold

Turn: ($16) 2 (3 players)
BB bets $1, UTG+1 raises to $10, Hero calls $10, 1 fold

River: ($37) J (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero checks

Total pot: $37 | Rake: $1.85

BB doesn't raise behind me on the turn without Ac3c and if a falls on the river and it's checked I get to bluff at it.

Hand 2)
Cake Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) - Cake-Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

UTG ($25)
MP ($62.05)
Hero (Button) ($99.70)
SB ($21.35)
BB ($58.15)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A, A
UTG (poster) checks, MP raises to $2, Hero raises to $6, 3 folds, MP calls $4

Flop: ($14.50) 6, 2, 10 (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $11, MP calls $11

Turn: ($36.50) 10 (2 players)
MP checks, Hero checks

River: ($36.50) 7 (2 players)
MP checks, Hero raises to $82.70 (All-In)

He's got like 45 left. I don't see anyone checking the river with a T or a boat, so I'm hoping for a hero call from, well, from his entire range.

Hand 3)
Cake Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) - Cake-Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

SB ($421.10)
Hero (BB) ($194)
UTG ($112.25)
MP ($229.20)
CO ($143.85)
Button ($125.35)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9, J
3 folds, Button raises to $3.50, SB calls $3, Hero calls $2.50

Flop: ($10.50) 6, 2, 2 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $7, Button raises to $23, 1 fold, Hero calls $16

Turn: ($56.50) 10 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $24, Hero calls $24

River: ($104.50) K (2 players)
Hero bets $22, Button raises to $74.85 (All-In), Hero calls $52.85

Total pot: $254.20 | Rake: $3

The flop is a little messy, but middle pairs and maybe even a 6 is in his range. I don't get much value from a J or 9 if it's good, but I do win the pot.

I'm hoping for a crying call when I bet the river. I ended up making the crying call myself.

Hand 4)
Cake Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (10 handed) - Cake-Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP2 ($15.50)
MP3 ($106.10)
CO ($229.55)
Button ($17.50)
SB ($83.75)
Hero (BB) ($118.20)
UTG ($120.05)
UTG+1 ($101.50)
UTG+2 ($18.50)
MP1 ($37.15)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 5, 6
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $3, 3 folds, MP3 calls $3, CO calls $3, 2 folds, Hero calls $2

Flop: ($12.50) 7, Q, 4 (4 players)
Hero bets $10, 2 folds, CO raises to $25, Hero calls $15

Turn: ($62.50) 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $44, Hero calls $44

River: ($150.50) J (2 players)
Hero raises to $46.20 (All-In), CO calls $46.20

Total pot: $242.90 | Rake: $3

CO is tight/semi-aggressive
I like drawing to straights on flush drawing boards so I can bluff at the flush cards. It's a little thin here because His weakest hand might be AJ, the stronger stuff has me pretty well crushed. The backdoor flush is a bonus and go figure, it came out.

[bjsaust]

- Yes, they're really bad, that doesn't mean I have to be bad, too.

Very true, on the other hand to properly exploit people you may need to change your standards a bit. The range of hands you can value bet widens, and the range they get to the river with may not be as bad as you'd think. Also I've been coming to realise that what we see as a scare card, bad players often dont. Those WA/WB river spots where theres no value betting because you only get called by worse? Not necessarily.

Anyway, GL with the Op and the changes. Careful with the HU stuff. Its a thrilling ride, but extreme variance.

[dev]

I just played 2 more hours. There's a few really cool hands here, so I'm just going to continue to number them after the last post.

Session 2 on the day:
1hr, $82.86
I added a 6th table since there were only 3 6m tables running.

- It sucks not having a hud, I gotta get a piece of my roll on FT or stars

Session 3 on the day:

just over an hour, $485
- It's ironic that I'm moving from short stacking 2/4 and 3/6 to playing .5/1 where the short stacks are more numerous, but haven't the slightest clue what they're doing.

Started out playing HU with god to get a 6m game going... He may not have been the actual almighty, but he sure ran like he was. He took 1.5 buyins from me, but the almighty was very generous to the other players when they finally filled the table, so I got most of my money back thru them.

Hand 5)
V runs 37/18
Cake Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (5 handed) - Cake-Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

UTG ($216.95)
MP ($164.80)
Button ($131.85)
Hero (SB) ($215.35)
BB ($28.05)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J, Q
2 folds, Button raises to $2, Hero calls $1.50, BB calls $1

Flop: ($6) 5, K, 7 (3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, Button checks

Turn: ($6) 3 (3 players)
Hero bets $4, 1 fold, Button raises to $8, Hero raises to $22

We've been going at it for a while and he's repping nothing here.
These kinds of moves tend to get me into trouble a lot, but I was pretty confident about this one.

Hand 6)
Cake Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (9 handed) - Cake-Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

SB ($20.50)
BB ($167.10)
UTG ($107.40)
UTG+1 ($54.70)
Hero (MP1) ($193.26)
MP2 ($77.60)
MP3 ($52)
CO ($100.50)
Button ($14.45)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Q, A
2 folds, Hero raises to $3.50, 2 folds, CO calls $3.50, 3 folds

Flop: ($8.50) 10, Q, A (2 players)
Hero bets $7, CO calls $7

Turn: ($22.50) 9 (2 players)
Hero bets $18, CO raises to $36, Hero calls $18

River: ($94.50) 5 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO raises to $54 (All-In), Hero calls $54

Total pot: $202.50 | Rake: $3

whaaaaaaa!
total unknown, crying call.

Hand 7)
Cake Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (4 handed) - Cake-Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Button ($98.50)
Hero (SB) ($168.75)
BB ($32.90)
UTG ($192.55)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q, Q
1 fold, Button raises to $3.50, Hero raises to $10.50, 1 fold, Button raises to $33, Hero raises to $168.75 (All-In)

am I good often enough to push? I don't think I wanna see a flop here.

Hand 8)
proof that implied odds are not just a theoretcal concept:
Cake Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) - Cake-Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

UTG ($153.60)
MP ($99)
Hero (CO) ($230.45)
Button ($106.50)
SB ($226.10)
BB ($182.45)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A, 3
UTG raises to $3.50, MP calls $3.50, Hero calls $3.50, Button calls $3.50, SB raises to $21, 1 fold, UTG calls $17.50, MP calls $17.50, Hero calls $17.50, Button calls $17.50

Flop: ($106) 4, 2, 5 (5 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, MP raises to $78 (All-In), Hero calls $78, 2 folds, UTG calls $78

Turn: ($340) 8 (3 players, 1 all-in)
UTG raises to $54.60 (All-In), Hero calls $54.60

River: ($449.20) Q (3 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $449.20 | Rake: $3
Everyone in the hand has a stack. I'm not putting anything in on a single pair, so I'm thinking good call pre, tho it might be close. I literally broke out laughing when I saw the flop.

Hand 9)
no reads
Cake Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) - Cake-Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Button ($58.50)
SB ($114.30)
Hero (BB) ($523.05)
UTG ($98.50)
MP ($192.85)
CO ($180.95)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9, 5
4 folds, SB calls $0.50, Hero checks

Flop: ($2) 8, 9, 9 (2 players)
SB bets $1, Hero raises to $3, SB calls $2

Turn: ($8) 6 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $6, SB calls $6

River: ($20) J (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $11, SB raises to $53, Hero calls $42

Total pot: $126 | Rake: $3
I hate the river. I don't like checking, but I'm thinking this call is bad most of the time.

Hand 10)
V is 9/8/4.5/250
I don't have any history with the guy, but I know he plays a LOT.
Cake Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (5 handed) - Cake-Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Button ($82.55)
Hero (SB) ($124.15)
BB ($208.76)
UTG ($162.90)
MP ($110.85)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A, Q
1 fold, MP raises to $3, 1 fold, Hero raises to $9, 1 fold, MP calls $6

Flop: ($19) 4, 3, A (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $10.50, Hero calls $10.50

Turn: ($40) J (2 players)
Hero checks, MP checks

River: ($40) 6 (2 players)
Hero bets $15, MP raises to $35, Hero calls $20

Total pot: $110 | Rake: $2

[HarleyGuy13]

GL on your op. Looking forward to checking in on yal.

[bjsaust]

Hand 5 - I often dont worry about it here, but you're right about his range.

Hand 6 - My first instinct was v's an unknown easy calls, but looking back over it, theres not much in his range you beat. I think this could be a river fold.

Hand 7- Bttn v's blind v's unknown I think this is fine. Borderline though. You have position so seeing a flop isnt terrible. Consider flatting the 3-bet and letting him bluff his air range on flop for more value.

Hand 8 - I'm fine with the first call, I dont think I call the 3-bet even with so many people in there.

Hand 9 - Might be safest to check behind on the river. He's not calling with busted draws, one of his draws just got there, if he has TJ maybe theres value, but you have almost the worst strong hand here. Dunno, maybe influenced by action.

Hand 10 - I like this a lot.

[dev]

Hand 6 - My first instinct was v's an unknown easy calls, but looking back over it, theres not much in his range you beat. I think this could be a river fold.

I keep trying to think of other ways to play the hand, like coming over the top of the turn raise or something. I have a really hard time folding here vs. an unknown.

Hand 7- Bttn v's blind v's unknown I think this is fine. Borderline though. You have position so seeing a flop isnt terrible. Consider flatting the 3-bet and letting him bluff his air range on flop for more value.

It was just me and the button. I don't have position.

Hand 9 - Might be safest to check behind on the river. He's not calling with busted draws, one of his draws just got there, if he has TJ maybe theres value, but you have almost the worst strong hand here. Dunno, maybe influenced by action.

You're probably right. I have a tendency to just bet till I'm proven beat. It's a leak.

Thanks for the analysis, BJ.

I had a gross day. I run g00t, I made a g today at 100nl in about 3.5 hours. Now I'm catching up on my shortstacking and man it's like a whole other world. I raise different amounts, I open and 3b different ranges, the other players are completely different... (20 minutes later) scratch that, I could do this in my sleep. +600, $1600 is a good day. I will try to get another 1.5 hours in SSing tonight and tomorrow morning so I can play 100nl during the day tomorrow. Hopefully I'll be getting some reads on the regs.

[bjsaust]

Oops, somehow I completely misread hand 7 positions. More likely to get it in OOP I think. History and reads probably matter.

Sounds like a good day to me .

[dev]

I've fallen behind a bit on my play, so I wont be playing deep for a few days. I'm bumping this in hopes that I get some more HH analysis.

It occurs to me that while I play on a site that has terrible HHs, so no hud, it might be useful to know that I run about 25/19/3.8

edit: The stats I posted before included HU. Now they're just for 3-6 players.

[dev]

I just came from bjsaust's op thread where they're talking about reviewing HHs after sessions. Since I play on Cake, it's a real bitch to review hands unless I set them aside during the session. It's one more reason this site isn't exactly good for getting better at poker. It's hard to split my roll between two sites, and moving from cake for the short stacking would be like quitting my day-job. Regardless, I'm going to try to get $1000 set aside for the stars reload by the 17th. If I can get that to work, I can work on stars at 50nl and continue to short stack the cake games. Having a hud, etc. should help me improve quite a bit quicker, so dropping one limit for a while shouldn't hurt much.

[dev]

I can't use a hud on my site, so the reads are sketchier than you might be used to.

Hand 1)
I almost left this table because all but one player was playing taggy preflop. I saw a lot of mistakes post-flop tho, and I had some history with both the fish and one of the taggs that told me the table should be profitable. The Villain in this hand was one of the taggs. After I imported the HHs he came out as a 25/16/1/80.
Cake Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (5 handed) - Cake-Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

BB ($99)
Hero (UTG) ($102.50)
MP ($100)
Button ($97)
SB ($102.40)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A, Q
Hero raises to $3.50, 1 fold, Button calls $3.50, 1 fold, BB raises to $13.50, Hero calls $10, 1 fold

Flop: ($31) 10, 4, 6 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $22

Total pot: $31 | Rake: $1.55


Hand 2)
I'm not usually a fan of the conservative approach, but I've been doing this for pot control a lot lately.
I've been at the table for a rotation or so, havent seen this guy play a hand yet, so no reads.

This one didn't convert with the original history, I edited it.
The SB was dead, so SB is BB and UTG posted $1 and checked.

Cake Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (5 handed) - Cake-Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

SB ($54.90)
UTG ($60)
MP ($118.75)
Hero (Button) ($151.61)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K, J
UTG checks, 1 fold, Hero raises to $4, SB calls $3.50, 1 fold

Flop: ($9) K, 10, 2 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $7, SB calls $7

Turn: ($23) 6 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

River: ($23) 7 (2 players)
SB bets $4, Hero calls $4

Total pot: $31 | Rake: $1.55



Hand 3)
Not much history, but this guy's playing pretty agro pre and post.
Agro player plays a draw agro here, right?
Cake Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (5 handed) - Cake-Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

UTG ($177.74)
MP ($19.30)
Button ($191.85)
Hero (SB) ($148.10)
BB ($117.90)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J, A
2 folds, Button raises to $3.50, Hero raises to $10.50, 1 fold, Button calls $7

Flop: ($22) K, 5, 10 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks

Turn: ($22) 7 (2 players)
Hero bets $12, Button calls $12

River: ($46) 7 (2 players)
Hero bets $32

Total pot: $46 | Rake: $2



Hand 4)
No reads.
Cake Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) - Cake-Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

UTG ($40.15)
CO ($102)
Button ($67.05)
SB ($112.75)
Hero (BB) ($191.51)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A, J
2 folds, Button calls $1, 1 fold, Hero raises to $3.50, Button calls $2.50

Flop: ($7.50) A, 4, Q (2 players)
Hero bets $6, Button calls $6

Turn: ($19.50) J (2 players)
Hero bets $16, Button calls $16

River: ($51.50) 10 (2 players)
Hero bets $35, Button raises to $41.55 (All-In), Hero calls $6.55

Total pot: $134.60 | Rake: $2
It's kind of embarrassing that I missed the size of his stack.
I keep thinking I could have c/rai on the turn, but that can be really bad against a made flush. My plan for this hand didn't work out the way I expected it to, what's your plan?

Hand 5)
This guy has shown down some real garbage in the past, but could he ever have a 5 here?
Cake Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (4 handed) - Cake-Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Button ($187.24)
SB ($81)
Hero (BB) ($238.15)
UTG ($149.45)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J, J
2 folds, SB raises to $3, Hero raises to $8, SB calls $5

Flop: ($16) 5, A, A (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $12, SB calls $12

Turn: ($40) J (2 players)
SB bets $18, Hero calls $18

River: ($76) 5 (2 players)
SB raises to $43 (All-In), Hero?


Hand 6)
Unknown, later found out he's kind of a loose passive donk
Cake Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) - Cake-Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

SB ($99)
Hero (BB) ($100)
UTG ($53.25)
MP ($97.75)
CO ($181.25)
Button ($137.40)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 4, 4
UTG calls $1, 1 fold, CO calls $1, 1 fold, SB calls $0.50, Hero checks

Flop: ($4) 2, 3, 4 (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $3, 1 fold, CO calls $3, 1 fold

Turn: ($10) 2 (2 players)
Hero bets $6, CO calls $6

River: ($22) 7 (2 players)
Hero checks

He snap called me on the turn, i thought for sure i'd get to c/r river. We both had so much behind I thought I could get a lot more out of a check-raise if he's got a weaker flush. If he just missed with a straight draw, then I don't get any value anyway. What does he have here that pays off a bet but doesn't bet on it's own?


Hand 7)
I'm still not a big fan of checking the turn card...
Cake Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) - Cake-Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

UTG ($104.90)
MP ($74)
Hero (CO) ($121.30)
SB ($11.35)
BB ($127.75)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q, 10
UTG calls $1, 1 fold, Hero raises to $4.50, 1 fold, BB calls $3.50, UTG calls $3.50

Flop: ($14) Q, J, 5 (3 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $12, 1 fold, UTG calls $12

Turn: ($38) 6 (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks

River: ($38) 3 (2 players)
UTG bets $19, Hero?

[XTR1000]

#1 yea, ez b/f flop

#2 I dont like checking this turn too much with his range being somewhat drawy. Id pot control AT if there wasnt the FD, but here Im rather betting turn. "Pot control"

#3 Im flatting this pre a decent amount, AJo does great vs aggro LP opens, but gets tricky in 3bet pots oop. As played I expect him to look u up with almost his entire range after ur flop check.

#4 stack sizes make this hand suck big time. c/f>=b/f small > c/c > shove imo.

#5 shovel turn, he doesnt fold trip aces ever. as played i fold river

#6 yea i like your thoughts, not sure tho, if he bets small flushes on a paired board. i´d just pot the flop and bet the turn harder

#7 nh so far. now fold.

[dev]

#3 Im flatting this pre a decent amount, AJo does great vs aggro LP opens, but gets tricky in 3bet pots oop. As played I expect him to look u up with almost his entire range after ur flop check.

#4 stack sizes make this hand suck big time. c/f>=b/f small > c/c > shove imo.

#6 yea i like your thoughts, not sure tho, if he bets small flushes on a paired board. i´d just pot the flop and bet the turn harder

#3 even after the 4th heart falls AND the board pairs? He played this so passively that I think the higher hearts are mostly not in his range here unless he flopped the nuts.

#4 I assume you're talking about the river, can we play the turn any differently? If I bet pot there, it makes any river easier to play but I'm lost vs. a shove.

#6 I've always led out with sets, but I think I've been trying to sacrifice a little value vs. medium strong hands in order to get more from the really bad calls I've seen. I'm chasing a ghost. The bad calls will continue whether I'm betting 2/3 or full pot... Since I tend to bet higher with my draws than with my regular 'made' hands, putting sets in with the draws will make my ranges on these types of boards much more balanced AND increase the value of the sets. How'd I miss that?

[dev]

So I did some statistical analysis of my play.

I drew my data not from HEM or PT, but from a calc spreadsheet. I took the length of each short stacking session in hours and multiplied that by the win or loss and squared it for the standard deviation calculation so that each session is weighted based on time. I used my $winrate per hour for the mean and the total number of hours as the sample set.
Average session is around 1.15 hours, but median session is almost certainly 1 hour

While my average month gives me almost double what I need to comfortably survive, I found that I should have a losing month 1 in every 11.85, so about once per year.

Lower bound of my range is 0, so
z = SQRT(hours)*winrate/stdev
z = SQRT(187.35)*82.71/412.95
This comes to 1.4163 which represents 42.22% south of the mean or 
8.436% or 1 in 11.85

I play over 50k hands per month, so this kind of boggles my mind. Then again, as a short stacker I get roughly 1.5bb/100, while a solid pro at the limits I'm playing will get 2-3 times that. They'll also be playing half the tables, but if the overall edge is so significantly higher, the negative variance wont hurt them as badly. I'm trying to figure out how to use my numbers to estimate how the variance would effect me if I was playing fullstacked with a higher edge at half the tables. The variance would be higher, but so would the edge.

I'm guessing that the conclusion I come to will be more like "Keep a deeper bankroll" than "Play deep and have less losing months", but I'm probably going to do the analysis anyway. I'm also going to come back to playing deep as soon as I've got a sample set that tells me I'm making comparable $/hr to what I make short stacking.

[Mr Bigcity]

I made a decision some months ago that I would be playing poker just for the money mainly to persue other things in my life. It happened when I realized I was burning myself out a bit by playing too much. Most days I would wake up in the early afternoon and play online for a few hours, then head to a home game. By the time I got out, I could go to the local breakfast place and order a soupy frittata before bed. Trying to fit in workouts and any sort of a social life always resulted in failure. So if poker was the background, the 'job', then everything else could come first for most of my life. Looking at it in that respect meant that poker was a lot less interesting, and I ended up with the opposite problem: I didn't play enough from September thru December.

So over the course of January, I got back to playing the hours I needed to play. Everything worked well, I was better off on February first than I was on January first. Poker as "just a job" worked great, I didn't have to worry about it anymore! Poker was just my job. So why did I just recieve my latest amazon order with 3 poker books included? I can't get away from it, I'm afraid I'll be working to learn at poker for the forseeable future.

I've been playing poker for a living on and off for a few years now. I started way too soon, continued when it made no financial sense, took a waiting job to make things work, and left that job as soon as I could. The first time I made a reasonable decision about playing for a living was when I quit that last job. I have a proven winning style and am perfectly capable of making enough to support myself. There is one major problem: my winning-est style is short stacking. Short stacking is pretty boring, but one can't doubt it's effectiveness.

Here's the plan: I play my 50 hrs/month short stacking to pay the bills, etc. and I spend the rest of my online playing time working on tournaments or full stack poker. Since the home games generally interfere with my sleep and work out schedule, I'll play 2-3 games per week that wont run till 6 or 7am.

Hopefully this way I can either build up enough of a bankroll cushion that the increased variance of not short stacking wont matter, or I get good enough AND develop enough of a bankroll cushion that short stacking is no longer the best way to pay the bills. This op thread will be about the lessons learned, ups and downs, and hopefully for me to receive advice from you, yes YOU.

What 3 poker books did you order off amazon?

[dev]

lol...
It was Harrington on cash games 1 & 2 and Gus Hansen's book on the aussie millions.

[dev]

So I can't get money into pstars for the bonus. A cashier's check is my only remaining option, and that would require me to, like, get dressed and take a shower and stuff before the bank closes. This would be a monumental task. *goes back to sleep*

[dev]

Topic 1)
Variance is taking me for one hell of a ride lately.

My last few days, $-wise:
4.5 hrs -500
3 hrs -100
3.3hrs +1500
1.5hrs -300
2.5hrs +11.50
3hrs -760
today so far: +1300 edit: bad final session, +900 total

Topic 2)
Gus Hansen's book, Every Hand Revealed, is entertaining and interesting, and leads me to believe he's one lucky SOB (At one point he won a big pot with a flush he didn't know he had). :P It's definitely worth the read and it is nothing like any other poker book I've read.

Topic 3)
I'm considering lowering my BR req's for full stack play. I play with 40 buyins, and since I withdraw every 3 weeks or so, it's hard to keep the amount I have online high enough to move up to where I can quit shortstacking. If I continue to beat 100nl consistently for another 10k hands or so, I'll use a 30 buyin rule for 200nl. Am I nuts?

Topic 4)
The game plays crazier short stacking, but variance definitely effects me more on a full stack. A chatty agro reg hit a good card on me one hand, so I proceeded to make a hopeless bluff on him the next hand and lose an additional $40. I continued to play that table for another 40 minutes or so thinking it was profitable because I had position on him. Towards the end of the session I realized that the guy is actually pretty good, so I wasted a lot of table time on a table that was at best marginally profitable.

Topic 5) OMG a hand!
No read on the guy, his name was TonyPoker or something like that. I haven't played with him in the past but he seemed to play a sane amount of hands, etc. but I raise a lot pre so he might be adjusting by calling light preflop.
Cake Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) - Cake-Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

CO ($93.25)
Button ($107.90)
SB ($99)
BB ($112.10)
UTG ($94.10)
Hero (MP) ($235)

Preflop: Hero is MP with K, K
1 fold, Hero raises to $3.50, 2 folds, SB calls $3, 1 fold

Flop: ($8) 10, 7, 2 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $7, SB calls $7

Turn: ($22) 7 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $18, SB calls $18

River: ($58) 2 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

Total pot: $58 | Rake: $2.90

Bet/fold seems so weak on the river, I figured the check was better. Now I'm not sure.


Topic 6)
This is a short stacking situation, but the hand doesn't really play like it. I was new to the table and the V's are not regs.
Cake Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $4.00 BB (5 handed) - Cake-Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

BB ($605.70)
UTG ($391.10)
Hero (MP) ($80)
Button ($186.80)
SB ($100)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 3, K
Button calls $4, SB calls $2, 1 fold, UTG calls $2, Hero checks

Flop: ($16) K, 6, 10 (4 players)
UTG bets $9, Hero calls $9, Button calls $9, 1 fold

Turn: ($43) K (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks, Button checks

River: ($43) A (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks, Button bets $18, UTG calls $18, Hero?
Given that I play KKKAT, I guess I could be chopping here, what do you think?

[XTR1000]

on #3

Im gonna put some thought into brm as well, as Im in the same boat where Im withdrawing and putting pressure on my roll. As long as you´re moving down immediately when things go bad and stick to a tight stop loss there´s nothing wrong with playing on 25BI.

#5 I bet river. You have the best hand almost always.

#6 Im pretty sure btn has you beat.

[dev]

on #3

Im gonna put some thought into brm as well, as Im in the same boat where Im withdrawing and putting pressure on my roll. As long as you´re moving down immediately when things go bad and stick to a tight stop loss there´s nothing wrong with playing on 25BI.

I'll get my sample set on 100nl and if I stay above 5ptbb/100 I'll probably go down to 30.

#5 I bet river. You have the best hand almost always.

Yeah, checking back is way too weak. Bet sizing is a little funny here. We have $70 effective behind, I can't expect a weaker hand to raise but I have to call a raise anyway. Can a T hero-call a push?

Wtf, passive players scare me.

#6 Im pretty sure btn has you beat.

I actually mucked here, and AhQh took it down.

[dev]

Cake hhs blow, they have no date/time stamp. I can't get them into HEM correctly, so I have to keep track of specific sessions in a spreadsheet. I record the time, bankroll, and player points at the beginning and end of each session in addition to the date, limits played, and notes.

My notes kinda suck, here's the last few:
-$449.30
started the session losing 3 straight 70/30s, the beats continued for another half hour, I got some of it back in the end. This was not as bad as it seemed while I was playing, if the Ais come out even this would have been a substantial win.

$762.89
BOOM SWITCH!!!!

$1,219.65
Lost 2 Ais right off the bat, ran well for a little bit, then pretty neutral for the rest of the session, but it was like people were lining up to double me up with ATC.

-$255.39
OblowMe... I run soooo bad at 3/6.

-$550.50
lost almost every race and got sucked out on a bit, but I won AT vs JJ once... so yeah *celebrates*

$562.00
really slow start, enough tables but no one was busting out. First 20 minutes < 6 tables

-$618.57
jdangerous owes me like $600 in sklanskis. I'm so talented, I can lose 30 races / hr.

-$139.36
I run baaaaaaad

$977.68
I run gooooooood

-$388.64
Started session running like 5 buyins bad, ended better than expected.

-$314.98
ran bad vs. regs, also lost $115 or so more than I needed to with a 2nd best hand

-$611.41
a little tilty from a big hand where my opponent ran like god. Perfect preflop hands, perfect flop, perfect turn to get my money in, blank river... $850 pot, got my head back together but ran like dogshit towards the end

The OblowME comment is about a reg named ObeyMe. He ran g00t. He is actually pretty good, just gets over agro sometimes.

Do you take session notes? What do they look like?

[bjsaust]

I've tried and think I should again. I used to maintain a spreadsheet separate from HEM so I could track my BR, how much money was rakeback bonuses, my withdrawals etc. Used to take notes too. Just kinda stopped for some reason. This reminds me I probably should start trying to do it again.

[dev]

I do a lot of statistical analysis of my play using the spreadsheet. I have a column for the sum of squares to find my standard deviation per session or per hour.

I also track my rakeback per session based on fpps gained. It's not perfect and the multiplier fluctuates between .054 and .061 per $1 of rakeback.

Even if I get RB from FT or end up on stars, I'm still going to use a spreadsheet. I just wont need it for as much.

[dev]

Hey look, I'm famous!

Cake Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) - Cake-Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

CO ($26.50)
Button ($158.25)
SB ($122.95)
Hero (BB) ($208.15)
UTG ($108.70)
Reg (MP) ($121.20)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9, K
1 fold, Reg bets $3.50, CO calls $3.50, 3 folds

Flop: ($8.50) Q, Q, 3 (2 players)
Reg checks, CO bets $8.50, Reg raises to $34, CO calls $14.50 (All-In)

Turn: ($54.50) J (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($54.50) J (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $54.50 | Rake: $2.70

Results:
Reg had 2, 2 (two pair, Queens and Jacks).
CO had 10, 10 (two pair, Queens and Jacks).
Outcome: CO won $51.80

Conversation after hand:

Reg: why dont you people 3bet TT
short?
Me: so they can disprove yeti theorem on
the flop
Dealer: Reg wins $8.10
Reg: nice
System: Our DAILY $25K GUARANTEED!! -
R&A Tournament is about to begin! Register
for $33
Me: shhhhh....
Dealer: Reg wins $3.50
Reg: lol dont feel like nitting at
200NL?
Dealer: Howeberg wins $2.50
Dealer: gramma99 wins $1.50
Reg: they even made a thread
subjected to you at twoplustwo
Reg: epic
Me: tbh i usually short 400 and 600
Dealer: Howeberg wins $1.50
Me: lol, ill have to look it up
Reg: yea was funny
Reg: cool if ur good at shortstacking
but if i were u id play some more hands
Dealer: Me wins $65 with Three of a
Kind, Kings with Ace kicker
Reg: just to mix it up
Dealer: Howeberg wins $2.40
Reg: certainly since ur image is that
of a rock now
Dealer: Me wins $2.50
Reg: if u loosen up ur game the 200
and higher regs dont expect it

So what bothers me is, I can't find the thread he's talking about.

[dev]

So I just lost 6.6 buyins. That sucks. Most of it was in a HU game with a pretty decent player. The rake was kicking our asses, there was really no reason to continue. But after he beat my nut flush with a straight flush for a 2.5 buyin pot, for some reason I didn't want to quit. I'm glad I finally did. He ran well, I ran crappy. I lost no less than 2 buyins on 6max tables to beats like my set of aces AI vs. a flush draw on the flop, etc. It was a serious downswing kind of session. Fuck variance. Fuck it up it's stupid asshole with a broomstick, a really thick broomstick.


Ironically I wrote this a couple of days ago:
thoughts on HU:
The 6max games degenerate really quickly, so I end up HU with regs a lot. I win at the smallball game, but I tend to get over agro and call too much when the pot gets bigger. I can beat most of the regs HU if I can control this, but if not I'm going to have to start quitting them.

The guy I played today just always showed up with the right part of his range. Either my hand reading was just awful or he ran REALLY well. I just got second bested over and over and over. He switched gears, he thought about his moves, most of his calls and raises made sense (a couple were really questionable, then again so were some of mine). He was good. There was no reason not to quit him. Neither of us could have had any kind of edge over the rake.

[dev]

I just had my first winning session in a while. I lost 10 straight sessions. 10. 10! My previous worst streak was 3, yes 3. I ran baaaaaad. February was dangerously close to being a losing month, which I find completely unacceptable. At the end of this month, I will have played well over 70k hands at a fraction of a bb/100. Variance is a bitch.

Daven posted recently in his blog about simplifying things and not getting too involved with the other regs. I think I could use some simplicity myself... time to work on table selection. It's funny because I was just talking to a good friend of mine about how most of being a professional player is all the stuff that you do outside of just the play of hands. Erring on the side of caution isn't one of my strong points, but it's about damned time I made it one.

[dev]

A run this bad just shouldn't happen. Add to the bad luck a lot of software issues I'm having with cake and I think I'm done with the site. I've never had such a bad run before and I'm thinking that it was so unlikely that there's a chance that the site isn't legit. If there's even a chance that this is the case, I'm pulling my money out.

It's a really bad time for me to change my meal ticket, but I can't really deal with any more of this. I'll be taking a week off from cake to clear a quick bonus on minted poker. Reviews say the software is great and I'm getting 46% RB. The game selection sucks but I figure it'll be pretty smooth sailing, low variance, high edge, relaxing kind of poker... if there is such a thing.

[dev]

So after running godawfully bad all around in February, I started March with a session at 50nl. You know, for that nice, relaxing kind of poker. I started with a weird AK hand where I 3bet and we took a flop 3 ways, It was a 9 high board, I end up bluffing with A high on the river when a second 9 hits. The action was so passive... Never underestimate a limper's hand range. lollimpaments. So after donking off 3/4 of a buyin unnecessarily in the first hand I played, I hit a couple rough ones(you tell me):

Hand 1)
Cake Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) - Cake-Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

CO ($28.20)
Button ($73.15)
Hero (SB) ($50.60)
BB ($71.50)
MP ($59.25)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q, J
3 folds, Hero bets $1.50, BB calls $1

Flop: ($3) 2, 8, 10 (2 players)
Hero bets $2.50, BB calls $2.50

Turn: ($8) Q (2 players)
Hero bets $6, BB calls $6

River: ($20) Q (2 players)
Hero bets $16, BB raises to $61.50 (All-In), Hero?
I took a little bit of time before the river bet, and his push was instant.

Hand 2)
Cake Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (5 handed) - Cake-Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

UTG ($33.30)
Hero (MP) ($62.85)
Button ($88.20)
SB ($43.35)
BB ($42.65)

Preflop: Hero is MP with Q, Q
UTG calls $0.50, Hero bets $2.25, Button raises to $7.50, 3 folds, Hero raises to $25, Button calls $17.50

Flop: ($51.25) 5, 9, 7 (2 players)
Hero raises to $37.85 (All-In)

Hand 3)
Cake Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) - Cake-Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

SB ($34.15)
BB ($49.50)
UTG ($101.40)
Hero (MP) ($53.80)
CO ($59.25)
Button ($25.50)

Preflop: Hero is MP with A, K
1 fold, Hero bets $1.75, CO calls $1.75, 3 folds

Flop: ($4.25) 9, 4, J (2 players)
Hero bets $3.20, CO calls $3.20

Turn: ($10.65) Q (2 players)
Hero bets $8, CO calls $8

River: ($26.65) A (2 players)
Hero?

[XTR1000]

your won w/o SD looks as ugly as mine. lets build a "stop bleeding in non SD pots" task force. seriously, we gotta work on that.

[dev]

I think it's because I've been raising all sorts of garbage in LP then cbetting or delayed cbetting, then showing up later in hands with really weak ranges and folding to any bet. It's not pretty, but I think just screwing down a little preflop will help with that.

[dev]

I don't wanna slip to page 2, so here goes:
I ran hideously bad at the end of Feb, so I've been taking it easy lately. I've gotten into some really soft local games and I haven't been playing enough online. I'm going to attempt to get to 10k hands full stacked sometime next week and post the results here.

In the meantime I'm debating whether I can do the FTR HU tourney considering I have no roll on either FT or PS and my funds outside of poker are a little stressed right now.

[kmind]

why'd you 4bet so huge in hand 2?

[dev]

I think I just hit the bet pot button. Chalk one up to laziness. If I bet less I don't think it changes V's ranges at all, and I'm still pushing this flop.

[dev]

Damnit I slipped to page 2!

Me and a reg went at it last night and he sucked out repeatedly. Today the tables turned.

Last night:
[insert random laggy action here]
I raise on the CO, he pushes from the blind, I snap call with A9o, he's got 96s.
Me: nice.
He makes a flush.
He won a ton of flips with me, and a lot of the time when he was behind.

Today:
First hand I play I get AK and push from the BB over his BU raise, he snap calls with TT and my AK wins. Rinse and repeat a dozen times.
He raises on the BU, I 3b AA from the BB, he pushes and I call. He has AQ.
NoReaSTeR_: hate u
dyvynr: lol
dyvynr: why don't we just roshambo for
rolls?
NoReaSTeR_: id be better off
dyvynr: I don't know I'm pretty good at
roshambo
dyvynr: LDO.


This op is supposed to be about switching back to full stack play while maintaining my income. Last month really sucked with bad variance so I couldn't do too much then, but this month I'm running really hot. If it continues, I'm going to cut down my SS hours a bit in April and add some required full stack hours. I should have a 15-20k sample set at 100nl full stacked after this month. When I get a half-decent sample I'll post some stats.

[Illfavor]

This is pretty cool. It's been fun to read along as you journey along.

Nothing is yet in its true form.

[dev]

Thanks Illfavor.

The re-eval:
I've been running really good in local games, and I'm running behind in my hours of online poker. I'm going to shave off 10 hours of SS to put in 10 mandatory hours of fullstack poker. I really want to get in some hands and I've already made a ton of money this month. So as much as it sucks to change goals mid-month, I think this gets me to my long term goals faster.

[dev]

10 checkup:




Finally got some hands in on a full stack, 11k is small, but it'll have to do for now. I'll post some hands in a little bit.

[dev]

hand 1)
Cake Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) - Cake-Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

BB ($188.60)
UTG ($95)
MP ($43.85)
CO ($176.45)
Hero (Button) ($107.60)
SB ($119.85)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 10, J
2 folds, CO bets $3.50, Hero calls $3.50, 2 folds

Flop: ($8.50) 4, 4, 8 (2 players)
CO bets $6, Hero raises to $18, CO calls $12

Turn: ($44.50) A (2 players)
CO checks, Hero checks

River: ($44.50) 5 (2 players)
CO bets $30, Hero raises to $86.10 (All-In)

Hand 2)
Cake Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (5 handed) - Cake-Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

BB ($107.60)
UTG ($101.20)
MP ($108)
Button ($102.50)
Hero (SB) ($99.90)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K, A
1 fold, MP bets $3, 1 fold, Hero raises to $12, 1 fold, MP calls $9

Flop: ($25) Q, 9, 10 (2 players)
Hero bets $18, MP calls $18

Turn: ($61) 2 (2 players)
Hero raises to $69.90 (All-In)

Hand 3)
Cake Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) - Cake-Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Button ($114.75)
SB ($102.20)
Hero (BB) ($100)
UTG ($36.18)
MP ($143.45)
CO ($200.05)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 8, K
UTG calls $1, 3 folds, SB bets $4, Hero calls $3, UTG calls $3

Flop: ($12) 7, 10, J (3 players)
SB bets $6, Hero raises to $12, UTG calls $12, SB calls $6

Turn: ($48) J (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $26

Both players here were somewhat fishy. I was thinking the minraise allows me to take it away on the turn vs. a drawing hand. When they both called, the second J hit, and the original raiser checked to me, I assumed that they were both drawing. I was right. The UTG caller called AI and shower 5d3d. He wiffed the river and I took it down with K high, here's the convo afterwards:
Dealer: dyvynr wins $85.36 with Pair of Jacks
with King kicker
WayneBandit: wow
BEESWHAX: idiot
dyvynr: excuse me while I weee
dyvynr: Wheeeeeee!

4)
Cake Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (5 handed) - Cake-Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

BB ($256.72)
UTG ($59.25)
Hero (MP) ($99.50)
Button ($125.20)
SB ($104.50)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 9, 10
1 fold, Hero bets $3.50, 2 folds, BB raises to $12, Hero calls $8.50

Flop: ($24.50) 9, J, 8 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $21, BB raises to $53, Hero calls $32

Turn: ($130.50) 8 (2 players)
BB bets $36, Hero calls $34.50 (All-In)

River: ($199.50) 10 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $199.50 | Rake: $2

I didn't see anything to gain from pushing the last of my stack in on the flop. I guess I could have checked behind, but it seemed like a waste to flop this board and then just check back.

5)
Cake Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) - Cake-Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

BB ($108.65)
Hero (MP) ($202.55)
CO ($29.45)
Button ($49.87)
SB ($143.30)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 3, 3
Hero bets $3.50, 1 fold, Button calls $3.50, SB calls $3, 1 fold

Flop: ($11.50) 6, K, 5 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, Button checks

Turn: ($11.50) J (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, Button bets $4, 1 fold, Hero calls $4

River: ($19.50) 9 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $9.75, Hero calls $9.75

Total pot: $39 | Rake: $1.95
Villain in this hand was a weird shortstacking donk. He had a serious problem with playing opposite poker.

[XTR1000]

#1 seems fairly standard, although I´d just bet the turn a lot, cuz thats what I do when I have air here, which happens fairly often, plus I expect QdX/KdX to put money in.

#2 Idk man, this seems close, as he has to fold JJ/KQ a decent amount to make this good. Then again, I don´t see any other option to play this.

#3 Weird. Actually an awesome way to get initiative cheaply, yet building a pot with not-awesome equity, not drawing to the nuts and guys who dont like to fold much. However, I finally have something to replace my sig with.

#4 I fold this pre and I were AI on the flop, as long as I have decent equity.

[daven]

hand 1 i bet turn $29
hand 2 you could check turn here? I don't see too many folds coming and I think you have 15 outs at most
hand 3 pre-flop spew, flop spew, turn spew
hand 4 i don't like pre-flop. Flop does the call make sense?
hand 5 fine

[dev]

1 I guess I just got FPS on the turn there. There's no good reason not to bet it.

2 If I check and he bets (which is likely) then I have to call, right? So if I have any FE at all, I have to bet it.

3 This hand was really weird, it was my first hand at the table, but I had played with both of those players earlier in the day. I think there was a good enough chance of everyone folding their draws on the second jack that it wasn't that bad. I don't think I'd do it again, but I think the extra calls I could have gotten later on would have made it worth it in this case (unfortunately both SB and UTG left the table and I went card dead for half an hour or so on that table). Besides, if I hadn't played it this way, XTR would still have the same sig.

4 Daven: Do you fold in position to the 3bet here? On the flop pushing sucks because I have 0 FE, folding sucks because I have lots of EQ, calling is the least sucky thing I can do.

A bit of FPS is all it takes to lose a stack or two, I think 'back to basics' is my mantra for a little while.

[daven]

i like this blog - i'm going to start keeping an eye on it.

After reading this and AndyAKB's I'm also thinking that it's about time I learnt some shortstacking basics.

Keep on keeping on!

[dev]

I decided a while ago that I'm never going to write anything up on short stack strategy, but if you want a push in the right direction or whatever, send me a pm.

It's been a weird couple of months. I was looking at my bankroll spreadsheet and saw some really odd numbers, this is my play on Cake from February, March so far and total for 4 months:

      SS-hrs  SS-$   FS-hrs FS-$
feb    50     -$18   12.5   $1048
mar    21.5  $3108   10.5   $48
total  234   $14236  29     $1421.67

I ran about $5000 below EV in Feb, it was worse than anything I could have imagined. March has been awesome both live and online, so I guess I bounced back pretty quick.

[dev]

I'm kind of running behind again this month so I'm going to be playing a lot of SS. Hopefully I'll grind out enough hours that I can play some full stack on Monday and Tuesday. Anyway, so as not to slip to page 2...

Wheeeeeeee!
http://cakepoker.com/en/HandHistory/...x4jCxcfEwcc%3d

He had AsQs.

[dranger7070]

lol grossness NH sir! hope things turn around

[dev]

Ok, so I finished my hours this month, but I'm going to try to get some FS 200nl in either later tonight or tomorrow. I'll be cashing out again on April 1st, so while I'm rolled for it now, I wont be in 2 days. I have lots of reads on the regs from SSing, so it should be interesting to see how they react to me on a 100bb stack.

I'm moving this week to a new place, so I wont be putting a lot of time in at the tables, but I'm upping my hours for this month anyway. Instead of 40ss and 10fs, I'm going 40ss and 30fs. That should bring me to 25k hands of FS play in my DB, and depending on the results, I might be able to cut my SS play further for May.

I broke 7k 3 times this month overall... I tumbled a bit with 5-10 days to go. Anyway, I'll take a 7k month.

[daven]

I have lots of reads on the regs from SSing, so it should be interesting to see how they react to me on a 100bb stack.

wonder if the HuD-bot regs will realise that your stats are a shortstack, or they'll simply assume you're an aggro full-stack fulltime? I think playing 50-50 short/full stack would be a good way to mess with regs.

I'll take a 7k month.

nh

[dev]

I have lots of reads on the regs from SSing, so it should be interesting to see how they react to me on a 100bb stack.

wonder if the HuD-bot regs will realise that your stats are a shortstack, or they'll simply assume you're an aggro full-stack fulltime? I think playing 50-50 short/full stack would be a good way to mess with regs.

I've thought quite a bit about that and I might do it. I'm going to be playing a lot more full stack this month, but unless I go on a tare in the first two weeks it's unlikely that I'll be able to play 200nl again on a full stack any time soon. So I'm going to be checking for really good 100nl tables while I ss and maybe I'll play them as well.

P.S. There are no huds that work with cake, so only a few people will have them, but the regs still act a lot like hud bots so we'll see how it goes.

[dev]

April started pretty solid on the poker front. I'm aiming for more online play and less live play, so we'll see how it goes. I kind of talked myself into playing more tables when on a full stack. My session today ranged from 5-11 tables. I didn't have any trouble, so I'll continue to test myself. Here's some hands:

Hand 1) I think I was just kinda befuddled here. I normally c/r the flop here, but I guess I just decided to mix it up.

Cake Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (5 handed) - Cake-Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP ($102.35)
Button ($88.50)
Hero (SB) ($99)
BB ($90.25)
UTG ($137.25)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 10, 10
UTG bets $3.50, MP calls $3.50, 1 fold, Hero calls $3, BB calls $2.50

Flop: ($14) 3, 6, 5 (4 players)
Hero bets $11, 1 fold, UTG calls $11, 1 fold

Turn: ($36) J (2 players)
Hero bets $26, UTG calls $26

River: ($88) 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG raises to $96.75 (All-In), Hero folds

Total pot: $88 | Rake: $2


Hand 2) Similar spot.
Cake Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) - Cake-Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

CO ($107)
Button ($118.05)
SB ($116.05)
Hero (BB) ($242.75)
UTG ($104.05)
MP ($40)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A, 9
UTG calls $1, MP (poster) checks, CO calls $1, 1 fold, SB calls $0.50, Hero checks

Flop: ($5) A, 8, 2 (5 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG bets $2.50, 3 folds, Hero calls $2.50

Turn: ($10) 5 (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $5, Hero calls $5

River: ($20) 9 (2 players)
Hero bets $16, UTG raises to $56, Hero calls $40

Total pot: $132 | Rake: $3

Hand 3) Villain is probably a reg, has made some tricky plays, but nothing really out of line. He's on half my tables.
Cake Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) - Cake-Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

UTG ($121.20)
MP ($105.70)
CO ($120.90)
Hero (Button) ($177.75)
SB ($170.05)
BB ($25.65)

Preflop: Hero is Button with J, K
2 folds, CO calls $1, Hero bets $4.50, 2 folds, CO calls $3.50

Flop: ($10.50) 4, K, 3 (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $8, CO calls $8

Turn: ($26.50) 9 (2 players)
CO checks, Hero checks

River: ($26.50) K (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $18, CO calls $18

Total pot: $62.50 | Rake: $3

[dev]

Hand 4)
Gaaah! V was calling a lot pre and on the flop but I hadn't seen him bluff. I guess that would be the perfect card to bluff at.

Cake Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) - Cake-Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

CO ($104)
Button ($106.45)
SB ($106.40)
BB ($126.95)
UTG ($55.20)
Hero (MP) ($100)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 8, 8
1 fold, Hero bets $3.50, 3 folds, BB calls $2.50

Flop: ($7.50) 4, Q, 8 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $7, BB calls $7

Turn: ($21.50) 6 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $18, BB calls $18

River: ($57.50) 7 (2 players)
BB bets $34.75, Hero folds

Total pot: $57.50 | Rake: $2.85

[dev]

Hi [me],

As a valued player on our site, we are pleased to inform you that you have been selected to receive rakeback on all of your future play at Full Tilt Poker.

It's about fucking time.

I have $200 on FT... do I grind it up or wait to cash out some of my cake funds to deposit there?

[Micro2Macro]

20 table 10nl

[XTR1000]

#1 - TT
I like it. I wish I had well balanced donk-leading ranges. Whats your plan to a flop raise?

#2 - A9
This is a spot where I just b/f the flop. His bet sizing on flop/turn makes this river kinda awkward, what does he limp UTG? I think we´re slightly behind his riasing range.

#3 - KJ
Std

#4 - 88
Gotta hate these spots. With your read Id call it off. He doesnt necessarily need to bluff a lot, a true station is prob value betting a lot of worse 2pr for value.


You´re missing out on a lot of money, if you drop back to 10NL at FT. Although I wouldn´t mind, if I didn´t have to share tables with you

[dev]

#1 - TT
I like it. I wish I had well balanced donk-leading ranges. Whats your plan to a flop raise?

#2 - A9
This is a spot where I just b/f the flop. His bet sizing on flop/turn makes this river kinda awkward, what does he limp UTG? I think we´re slightly behind his riasing range.

#3 - KJ
Std

#4 - 88
Gotta hate these spots. With your read Id call it off. He doesnt necessarily need to bluff a lot, a true station is prob value betting a lot of worse 2pr for value.


You´re missing out on a lot of money, if you drop back to 10NL at FT. Although I wouldn´t mind, if I didn´t have to share tables with you

1 - I think I have to fold to a decent raise. That really really sucks.
2 - I don't know if I can bet/fold on the 2 tone board here.

About FT:
I've been playing on a site that doesn't allow me to use a hud, which sucks. That's one of a lot of reasons to switch to FT, but there's one big reason I'm not jumping ship on cake right now: I play for a living and what I do on cake works. So it sucks that I short stack and the software doesn't come close to FT, but I've got something good going and I don't have the spare cash right now to risk it. I just moved into a new apartment and blew a lot of money on furniture and stuff, so it's unlikely that I'm going to have anything to spare to put into FT. I suppose I can just wait until I have enough to spare to split my roll and split my time between FT and cake.

[daven]

get a player-player transfer of $200 on FT, play $25nl buying in for $20, pay it back when you feel like it.

don't give up your day job (cake)

[dev]

I'm struggling at 200nl on cake. I don't have much of a sample for stats to back this up, but I'm getting into a lot of situations where I'm really not sure about my opponent's range or my best play.

I'm up overall, but I think I'm slightly down when adjusting for EV. I've made a few bonehead plays though, and if I get used to the game I think I'll be playing significantly better. Since I want to get a bigger cashout than normal on May 1st, I'm going to continue with my roll on cake and continue to play micros at FT when I'm drinking. It'll allow me to get a feel for the software and maybe build that roll a bit so it wont take me weeks to get enough money in FT to play 100nl+.

It sucks, I'm pretty much broke right now waiting for my April check from cake. My plan is to grind out a ton of hours this month so I wont be in this situation again. Next month, if all goes well, I can start moving some money over to FT.

Minted poker is accepting american cards now. I have it set up for 46% RB and I can get a $400 bonus there. The bonus doesn't leech off of the RB, and I can probably clear it in a week or so. I might do that, but even though I play every day, it's becoming hard for me to maximize my $/hr.

Anyway, some hands:

Hand 1)
V is 17/14/2.3
I still have moments where I get it in here. Even tho this is standard, I'm kind of proud of myself for folding it.
Cake Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $2.00 BB (6 handed) - Cake-Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Button ($377.85)
SB ($83)
BB ($189.80)
UTG ($218.40)
Hero (MP) ($228.40)
CO ($50)

Preflop: Hero is MP with K, A
1 fold, Hero bets $7, 1 fold, Button raises to $24, 2 folds, Hero raises to $60, Button raises to $377.85 (All-In), 1 fold

Total pot: $123

Hand 2)
This guy is a prize fish, spaztacular, but this river bet sucks soooo much.
Cake Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $2.00 BB (6 handed) - Cake-Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

BB ($268)
UTG ($52.55)
MP ($69.25)
Hero (CO) ($202.20)
Button ($232.70)
SB ($216.70)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 10, A
2 folds, Hero bets $7, Button raises to $14, 2 folds, Hero calls $7

Flop: ($31) A, 6, K (2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks

Turn: ($31) 3 (2 players)
Hero bets $21, Button raises to $42, Hero calls $21

River: ($115) 6 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button raises to $176.70 (All-In), Hero?

Hand 3)
V hasn't done anything noteworthy in about an hour at 2 tables
Cake Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $2.00 BB (6 handed) - Cake-Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

BB ($201.90)
UTG ($41.40)
MP ($51.50)
CO ($205.75)
Hero (Button) ($312.75)
SB ($250.50)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 5, A
1 fold, MP bets $8, CO calls $8, Hero calls $8, 2 folds

Flop: ($27) J, A, 10 (3 players)
MP checks, CO bets $21, Hero calls $21, 1 fold

Turn: ($69) 3 (2 players)
CO checks, Hero checks

River: ($69) 3 (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $34

Hand 4)
I had this guy pegged as a straightforward player after playing with him for an hour.

Cake Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $2.00 BB (5 handed) - Cake-Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

BB ($196)
UTG ($281)
Hero (MP) ($247.75)
Button ($553.30)
SB ($380.75)

Preflop: Hero is MP with K, 10
1 fold, Hero bets $7, 1 fold, SB raises to $12, 1 fold, Hero calls $5

Flop: ($26) K, 3, 3 (2 players)
SB bets $13, Hero calls $13

Turn: ($52) 2 (2 players)
SB bets $26, Hero calls $26

River: ($104) 5 (2 players)
SB bets $52, Hero folds

Total pot: $104 | Rake: $2
I know it's not std to post results, but he ended up showing me 77 after I folded the river. The play basically makes sense if he puts me on 88-QQ. Since this play does make sense, should I be calling here?

Also, 1/2pot-1/2pot-1/2pot bet sizing? Looking back, it really does look kind of bluffy.

Hand 5)
V is 18/10/2.5 over a smallish sample. Plays a little tricky and trappy, but has been staying away from me today after a few big pots we played yesterday.
Cake Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $2.00 BB (6 handed) - Cake-Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

CO ($161.95)
Button ($290.20)
Hero (SB) ($232.15)
BB ($196)
UTG ($194.70)
MP ($134.25)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A, K
2 folds, CO bets $7, 1 fold, Hero raises to $27, 1 fold, CO calls $20

Flop: ($56) 5, 7, 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks

Turn: ($56) A (2 players)
Hero bets $34, CO calls $34

River: ($124) J (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks

Total pot: $124 | Rake: $3

If i bet, im pricing myself in against a flush or AJ. since that would suck I just decided to check/call.

[dev]

Nobody loves me...

I'm running really well at 200nl and playing kind of bad. I'm coolering the regs, paying off the fish, and assuming solid players are bluffing a lot more than they actually are. I'm going to continue to play 200nl, but I'm going to stay away from the regs even more than I already am, and I'm going to take painfully basic lines against everyone. Simplicity, balance, fuck, my poker game will be a hit show on lifetime!

[dev]

The Numbers Lie.
Although the month started very well, It's been horribly bad over the past week. I've made about $1200 on a full stack in like 11 hours, and I've lost about the same short stacking for almost 30 hours. The truth is, tho, that I've run incredibly well on a full stack and unbelievably bad short stacking (+ just a touch of tilt after serieseseses of particularly bad beats).

I need a decent sized withdrawal at the beginning of next month, and to maximize the chance of that withdrawal NOT devastating my bankroll, I'm going to drop the full stack play for a while and drop a limit at shortstacking (which is not much of a change since cake 2/4 has been dead lately)

Since I've played over 40 hours in 11 days, my goal will be to play 3+hrs per day for the rest of the month. That comes to 54 hours more, so the total will be 11 FS and 84 SS. Almost 100 hours of actual play time in a month is more than double what I've done in the past. It wont leave much room for study, etc. Even if I round down my hourly expectation SSing, I should make over $3000 between now and the end of the month. I think that I have a good feel for my state mentally and emotionally, so if I start to burn out I should be able to take a break before I go all monkey-tilt. *crosses fingers*

BTW, this OP is really about me returning to full stacking, so this is a serious stumble, but I'll be back to work on that for next month or earlier if things go really really well.

[ATOTHEC101]

4 bet folding ak in hand 1 is really bad.


hand 2 sucks but I play the same and fold the river.


hand 3: I don't fold, but I understand why you did.



hand 4: seems fine, his range for checking the flop that calls the turn is generally ax and spade draws and after the river you're now behind alot of that range. However if you always c bet this flop with big pairs and only check when you waft checking is preety bad and I just c bet with the intention of barreling most turns.


gl with the rest of your month and altering to fullstack play.

[dev]

I took a few days off to clear my head, came back yesterday and continued to run horribly bad. My first session had 7 coin flips AIPF, I lost all of them. I also lost with KK<AQ AIPF twice. After that session I realized how ridiculous it was to be counting coin flips.

Just to switch things up I played a session 20 tabling 50nl on a full stack just to spec things out and get some stats. I don't know the regs there, so no reads on any of my hands. I ran bad in a couple of spots, lost on the session but the game seemed at least marginally beatable even on 20 tables. Even so, I doubt I'll continue to do that.

I decided that my goal for this op will be to reach 100k hands full stacked, then spend a few days just going over stats and HHs. My next op will probably have something to do with diversifying my poker time and getting into a routine. Say, a vid in the morning (hopefully BFP), forums in the afternoon, 2 sessions before I leave for the night, tourneys and sngs one day a week. After the poker stuff gets settled I'd add in specific workout times. ATM I'm working out like 2-3 times per week whenever I get the time, and that's not good enough.

Edit:
In hand 1, do we really want to flat the 3bet OOP? Or are we considering folding?!

[dev]

Waiting for someone to show up so I didn't want to play a session. So instead I was messing with Robb's 'chunks' and different flop textures. Before I got to the flop textures I was playing with pokerstove and came across this:

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

4,150,624,896 games 0.005 secs 830,124,979,200 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 25.066% 24.81% 00.25% 1029944588 10460156.00 { K9s, Q9s, J9s, 97s, K9o, Q9o, J9o, 97o+ }
Hand 1: 74.934% 74.68% 00.25% 3099759996 10460156.00 { QQ+, AKs, AKo }


---

4,849,244,928 games 0.001 secs 4,849,244,928,000 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 24.602% 24.34% 00.26% 1180474736 12549650.00 { K9s, Q9s, J9s, 97s, K9o, Q9o, J9o, 97o+ }
Hand 1: 75.398% 75.14% 00.26% 3643670892 12549650.00 { JJ+, AKs, AKo }

[dranger7070]

wtf, JJ+, AKo, AKs has better equity vs the same range as QQ+, AKo, AKs? Thats kinda weird, but it makes sense because you have more blockers to his range with the J, right?

[Ragnar4]

I saw something to that effect here the other day when I was stoving ranges.

Guy was a 95/99/15.0 over something like 200 hands.

I was trying to find a 10% equity edge 55/45 and some looser ranges had higher equity edges than tighter ones.

[dev]

I think it has more to do with a lower % of AKs involved in the range.

[dev]

I've been hung over and dealing with chick drama, so I haven't been playing. Instead I made myself a new full tilt table which should increase my winrate substantially.

[XTR1000]

haha nicey

[dev]

My god the late night games on cake are spewy as hell! I'm glad that FT table I use doesn't work with cake, I may have not made so many thin river calls tonight to the tune of +$400. :P

So April sucked, I'm not even going to post my graphs here. They're in the short handed nl forum. I'm drinking this beer and toasting a May for the record books. If I break my shittiest month record (April followed somewhat closely by February) then I can go find a fucking job. Yeah, right. If I break my best month record (Sept '07 ~9g, March '09 ~7g) then I can seriously focus on the point of this op thread: get back to full stacked play.

Issues:
1) I was going to grind out just enough this month to get a TV from cake and then leace the site for good. But they changed their fpp setup so we gain 1/2 the fpps, thus half the coins than we did in the past. This means it would take me till the end of June to do it, and I really don't want to be stuck on this software for that long. On the plus side, they no longer subtract bonuses and purchases from MGR, so I can grab it mid-month and the GC500 might actually be worth playing for. I'm not sure what to do.

2) I've read a lot on FTR about people getting bonuses for iron man status on FT. I haven't seen a decent write-up on it anywhere (like spoon's post on PS bonuses vs. RB). If anyone sees one or writes one let me know. I can easily get iron man status, even on a short roll. It would take something like 35% of the hours that I had planned on using on cake. Again, not sure what to do.

3) Multitabling is an issue. I can't stop. I play 16+ tables short stacking and when I play a deep stack I have a real problem slowing down and thinking 'deeper' (bahahahahaaa). It's a serious issue tho. The differences between full stack and short stack strategies are huge. My autopilot has to relearn full stack play, and it's tough with 12+ tables. It's also pretty difficult to play 4 or 6 tables knowing I could be making $30/hr in rakeback instead of $15/hr. I haven't been in IRC in a while, someone ask Euph how he did it.

Anyway, thanks and g'night!

Oh yeah, and I started the month off with an $1800 day!

[dranger7070]

Sick day man! Idk, if you really hate the Cake site, I'd probably just bounce the roll over to full tilt. I mean, I, personally, don't play there, since its rigged and all () but I think you getting iron man bonuses + rakeback + probably fishier site (at least more fish) = more monies for you imo.

No matter what you do, you can't really go wrong. GL man, break dat best month record!

[elipsesjeff]

How did you get rakeback on tilt? I've been trying to get that for years and if I did get it I'd take the majority of my game over there asap.

[dev]

Jeff: PM'd.

So I started on FT with $200 and I'm up to $110 after 9k hands. So yeah, things are going swimmingly.

I'm having trouble taking the money seriously and playing too many tables when I'm not really used to the software, but cake tables suck during the weekdays, so I'll be on FT mostly during the week.

About iron man, is it that you have to get 200 points every day for 25 days per month or do you just have to play a raked hand 25 days and average 200 points?