Sometimes I hate our species so much *NSFW disturbing images

[wufwugy]

Everyday, one billion people starve. That's almost equivalent to the entire population of North America and Europe combined. A scholar once called these starving people the 'un-people' because nobody cares about them because they're not like 'us'. Not only do we turn our backs on the un-people, their very own political and financial leaders turn their backs as well. Enough food exists to fill every belly several times over, but because somebody wants to make a buck, it goes uneaten

We cried when the towers went down and killed 3000 of our own. We shook our fists in protest, and sent in our troops to right the wrong, but we didn't even blink an eye when we killed 600,000 people just like us. Our small tragedy has become iconic, while many just like us suffer tragedy on an unfathomably colossal scale, and nobody even mentions them

I am ashamed to call myself human. What is so different from me and a teenager raised in Nazi Germany? What is so different from me and a Hutu who slaughtered his neighbors because they were Tutsi? What is so different from me and the Saudi Muslim who rapes his child wife because Allah's will be done? The answer is nothing is different. Mass atrocities are always committed by normal people because if they weren't, they wouldn't be 'mass'.

We live on a planet where billions of people who are just like us live in misery, but because we don't know what real misery is and we put it out of sight and out of mind, we are unable to empathize. It breaks my heart. We profess to be such a great species, we profess the moral high ground and intellectual superiority, we have all these idols on our side and all these achievements on our shelves. We are entertained, self-righteous, and fat, yet on the other side of the valley, they are unclothed, beaten, and frail. We pay no attention to them because if we did, we would find the truth so unnerving, and we would have to share some of their burden. But we are the lucky ones. We can ignore them, call it a day, and fool ourselves into thinking that our stupid little problems are real problems. I hate myself for caring about my problems. They are nothing, I know they're nothing, but to me, they're the world, and I feel like the world is sometimes out to get me. And then I feel stupid because many people who are normal just like me suffer through a literal living hell every day of their lives, and here I am wallowing in my own pity, lamenting the tiniest of stumbling blocks.

Part of me wants to abandon everything, move to one of these forgotten places, and help people the best that I can. But I know I would hate it because nothing I can give would alleviate the sorrow. And then another part of me is angry and hopes that we burn enough fossil fuels to char the planet because maybe then there would finally be relief for the billions and the perpetual generations of perpetual suffering. How fucked up is that I think the only solution for our species' problems is for our species to no longer exist? Everybody talks a big game, but for the entirety of human civilization, our most basic of problems have never been fixed. It's not like we're going to suddenly start fixing them some day

How dare we call ourselves a good, compassionate people. We are shit. Maybe you aren't, maybe I'm not, but our species is; and when things truly matter, we are a failure. We could one day invent light speed and a perfect moral philosophy, yet many innocents would still be imprisoned and tortured, many women would still be raped, and many 12 month old babies would still weigh 4 pounds because their mothers can't afford to eat

[spoonitnow]

Similarly, I find comfort in knowing that eventually we won't be here.

[Renton]

your post reads like a system of a down song

[Luco]

Knurd, bro.

May all your problems be non life threatening.

[ensign_lee]

Your number of 1 BILLION people dying a day is wrong.

That would be 20% of the world's population dying every day.

Maybe 1 mill.

[bode]

your post reads like a system of a down song

lol, i thought this exact same thing.

also, 1 billion people starve a day? That seems too high, but i have no frame of reference really.

[Muzzard]

Your number of 1 BILLION people dying a day is wrong.

That would be 20% of the world's population dying every day.

Maybe 1 mill.

Depends what billion your using

UK billion=1,000,000,000
US billion=100,000,000
Earth Poulation = 6,707,000,000

[JKDS]

Your number of 1 BILLION people dying a day is wrong.

That would be 20% of the world's population dying every day.

Maybe 1 mill.

Depends what billion your using

UK billion=1,000,000,000
US billion=100,000,000
Earth Poulation = 6,707,000,000

um no. US uses 10^9 for billion.

[Lukie]

Wuf, no offense but you scare me. How many times are you going to mention hoping the world ends so that suffering ends? Get a grip.

Here's an idea. You said it yourself that you're lazy but you love to read and educate yourself. But if you were really so passionate about these subjects, you could far better things in the world than educating a handful of fat, self-centered poker players on worldly problems.

Become a social worker, or go to school and become a climatologist, or become the worlds best poker player and donate a large percent of your winnings to a worthy cause, do something. Because the passion that you say you have and the things you do to back them up are completely incongruent.

People mostly care about themselves, yeah it sucks, but it is what it is. I refuse to hate myself because somebody is starving somewhere. I'll continue to do things here and there to help. For example I'm putting together an old bag full of clothes to give away, I'll drop a few bucks in one of those salvation army things at Christmas, etc. Yes I realize those aren't massive displays of effort, but again, I refuse to hate myself because others weren't born into as a fortunate set of circumstances as I was.

Edit: Before somebody takes that last sentence in the wrong way, it's only meant to show that American middle or upper-middle class is doing extremely, extremely well relative to most of the world.

[Muzzard]

um no. US uses 10^9 for billion.

Sorry your right.

* 1,000,000,000 (number), one thousand million, 10^9, in the commonly used short scale
* 1,000,000,000,000 (number), one million million, 10^12, in the long scale

UK uses long scale, US short scale

[Lukie]

10^12 = one trillion = 1,000,000,000,000 = one million million (i hate this description so much)

10^9 = one billion = 1,000,000,000 = one thousand million (i still hate this description so much)

[Muzzard]

10^12 = one trillion = 1,000,000,000,000 = one million million (i hate this description so much)

10^9 = one billion = 1,000,000,000 = one thousand million (i still hate this description so much)

In the UK, one million million = a billion

[Lukie]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_and_short_scales

Interesting and educational, actually.

For most of the 19th and 20th centuries, the United Kingdom uniformly used the long scale,[2] while the United States of America used the short scale,[2] so that usage of the two systems was often referred to as British and American respectively. In 1974, the government of the UK abandoned the long scale, so that the UK now exclusively applies the short scale interpretation in mass media and official usage.[3][4][5][6] Although some residual usage of the long scale continues in the UK,[7] the phrases British usage and American usage are no longer accurate nor helpful characterizations. The two systems can be a subject of misunderstanding or controversy. Usage changes can evoke resentment in adherents to the older system, while national differences of any kind can acquire jingoistic overtones.[8]

Is that accurate? (I honestly have no idea.)

[Jack Sawyer]

I see where you are coming from wufwugy.

The Omelas analogy is incredibly adequate for what and how the current situation is. Its truly sadenning if you can't shield yourself from all the shit, all the time.

Marketing rules the (capitalist, "free") world at the moment, and its going to take something dramatic to put a paradigm shift in motion to make this.

Making humans human again is a nice goal. I try by moving one stone at a time; by standing up vs. blind greed whenever I can, and by helping my fellow man in whatever I can all the time.

Its not much, but I try.

[Muzzard]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_and_short_scales

Interesting and educational, actually.

For most of the 19th and 20th centuries, the United Kingdom uniformly used the long scale,[2] while the United States of America used the short scale,[2] so that usage of the two systems was often referred to as British and American respectively. In 1974, the government of the UK abandoned the long scale, so that the UK now exclusively applies the short scale interpretation in mass media and official usage.[3][4][5][6] Although some residual usage of the long scale continues in the UK,[7] the phrases British usage and American usage are no longer accurate nor helpful characterizations. The two systems can be a subject of misunderstanding or controversy. Usage changes can evoke resentment in adherents to the older system, while national differences of any kind can acquire jingoistic overtones.[8]

Is that accurate? (I honestly have no idea.)

When the banking shitstorm happened, they released that we were X amount in debt. Someone rang up the Home Office to confirm it it was US billions or British Billion, they clarified it was British. lolz

[wufwugy]

Your number of 1 BILLION people dying a day is wrong.

That would be 20% of the world's population dying every day.

Maybe 1 mill.

Not to death

About 30k die from starvation a day, 5MM a year

And yes the 1 billion daily starving is accurate.

[wufwugy]

Wuf, no offense but you scare me. How many times are you going to mention hoping the world ends so that suffering ends? Get a grip.

That's pretty much just a product of my penchant to look at things in a matter of fact manner. I don't actually hope for this because I too have feelings, but the fact remains that if the earth was hit tomorrow by a meteor the size of Alaska, the collective suffering of humanity would end up having been much lower. As with many things, they're double-edged swords, catch-22s, between a rock and a hard place

Here's an idea. You said it yourself that you're lazy but you love to read and educate yourself. But if you were really so passionate about these subjects, you could far better things in the world than educating a handful of fat, self-centered poker players on worldly problems.

Become a social worker, or go to school and become a climatologist, or become the worlds best poker player and donate a large percent of your winnings to a worthy cause, do something. Because the passion that you say you have and the things you do to back them up are completely incongruent.

People mostly care about themselves, yeah it sucks, but it is what it is. I refuse to hate myself because somebody is starving somewhere. I'll continue to do things here and there to help. For example I'm putting together an old bag full of clothes to give away, I'll drop a few bucks in one of those salvation army things at Christmas, etc. Yes I realize those aren't massive displays of effort, but again, I refuse to hate myself because others weren't born into as a fortunate set of circumstances as I was.

Edit: Before somebody takes that last sentence in the wrong way, it's only meant to show that American middle or upper-middle class is doing extremely, extremely well relative to most of the world.

You're basically right.

However, a big reason for why I'm gloomy at times is because I have been struggling with personal issues that sometimes disrupt my happiness, as well as I have an almost masochistic appreciation for sad things. For example: I love watching depressing movies. Schindler's List is a great example. I don't know why, but feelings of empathetic despair sometimes makes me feel more alive. Kinda like how some people like watching scary films because they masochistically like the fear emotion, I sometimes masochistically like the sad emotion. Not that often, just sometimes

[wufwugy]

your post reads like a system of a down song

What's a good SOAD song? I've heard bits and pieces here and there and seriously hated the music, but wouldn't mind trying again

[flomo]

Bummer Dude.

[BankItDrew]

far better things in the world than educating a handful of fat, self-centered poker players on worldly problems.

5 Spades

[dsmrolla06]

Im actually in the process of developing a businesses to help with this sort of thing. Its a website for finding the best restaurants and bars, but we donate a large portion of our profit to feeding hungry children. Theres premium memberships for the restaurants and bars, and basically every day of membership is a day that a child is fed. Also consumer members help contribute to feeding hungry children by contributing to the website through reviews and what not, through the help of company sponsorships.

[wufwugy]

far better things in the world than educating a handful of fat, self-centered poker players on worldly problems.

5 Spades

Actually, what I should do is instead of posting on internet forums, take that time to write screenplays. I always wanted to be a writer, but also found it immensely stressful. Discovering internet forums gave me some degree of authoritative satisfaction without the stress of trying to create product worth being published.

So yeah when you see a lot of wuf text, it's because I always wanted to be John Steinbeck, but also never truly pursued that avenue due to experiencing overwhelming distaste for my own literary imperfections

[BennyLaRue]

I have an almost masochistic appreciation for sad things.

You wrote that like you're alone in feeling that way, but there are whole genres of music devoted to helping people wallow. It's totally normal.

Part of me wants to abandon everything, move to one of these forgotten places, and help people the best that I can. But I know I would hate it because nothing I can give would alleviate the sorrow.

If you would truly help someone and could see the effect of your actions, I really don't think you'd continue to feel that way. Your perspective would shift. But you're not going to gain that perspective by reading...Lukie is absolutely right.

<insert Robin Williams' speech in Good Will Hunting here>

[Renton]

your post reads like a system of a down song

What's a good SOAD song? I've heard bits and pieces here and there and seriously hated the music, but wouldn't mind trying again

I kinda hate the genre that SOAD is associated with, but they are one of my favorite newish bands. Try listening to the self-titled debut from beginning to end, its definitely my favorite. Toxicity is the second album and the most popular, but my least favorite.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Afj9qcP2U0

first song on the first album

[wufwugy]

You wrote that like you're alone in feeling that way, but there are whole genres of music devoted to helping people wallow. It's totally normal.>

I forgot about emos. I wouldn't describe emo as empathetic sadness over other people's tragedy, though

[sarbox68]

Making humans human again is a nice goal. I try by moving one stone at a time; by standing up vs. blind greed whenever I can, and by helping my fellow man in whatever I can all the time.

Jack - I applaud your selfless humanity. I disagree with the premise that human beings have ever been "nice". One of my pet peeves continues to be "in-the-good-old-day-ism". There have never been the good old days. When we were pre-tribal we fought each other. When we were tribal, we fought each other in groups. When we had no technology, we smashed heads in w/ rocks and sticks. Now we use guns. We have always predominantly stolen from the weaker to support our own...

These traits are not owned by any race or socio-economic class. Dirt poor people beat and rape the sh!t out of each other because they're not them. Rich people exploit in more second or third order ways, but with the same basic outcome.

We just didn't bump into each other as much when there were only a few million humans on the planet. We weren't able to do it with as much efficiency and scale when our means and methods were so limited. And the imagery of our actions wasn't broadcasted instantly for all to see until we invented media, and most recently the 24 hour stream that is becoming the human record.

People in general are predisposed to be selfish, tribal and violent. We exhibit those tendencies to varying degrees depending on our environment. And there are obviously exceptions. But we really haven't changed much if at all in the past 10,000 years...

How's that for a f-kin downer

[mcatdog]

"This is my long-run forecast in brief. The material conditions of life will continue to get better for most people, in most countries, most of the time, indefinitely. Within a century or two, all nations and most of humanity will be at or above today's Western living standards. I also speculate, however, that many people will continue to think and say that the conditions of life are getting worse." - Julian Simon

[revolvingiris]

I came across this Joe Rogan blurb that has always stuck with me:

http://www.officialmovietrailers.com...joeroganpeople

Basically I believe its true. We're a self destructive virus that continues to destroy any future of a bigger picture for anything. The entire universe is completely chaotic and some how this little planet evolved to what it is in the blink of an eye. The sun will eventually eat up everything in our galaxy and we have the opportunity to save species on this earth from that.

The sad fact is that a majority of the wealthy/powerful people in this world who could really band together to make a difference don't want to. I do feel bad that I am unable to help other people in need but it cannot be at the expense of myself becoming like them. Its not my responsibility to father the world until I have the means to. Does that alleviate me from care for another human being? No. It means we live in a greedy top 10% nation who expect the bottom feeders to pick up and nurse the severely beaten.

[mbiz]

People in general are predisposed to be selfish, tribal and violent. We exhibit those tendencies to varying degrees depending on our environment. And there are obviously exceptions. But we really haven't changed much if at all in the past 10,000 years...

How's that for a f-kin downer

i dont think we've changed much either, but theres an obvious predisposition toward social interaction and organisation. hence...society. some countries are more fucked up than others though - i dont have a good idea of why on that one

[StillDeadMoney]

The US provides 60% of the world's food aid. I blame the US for all the starvation.

[wufwugy]

It's far more complicated than that.

The problems are based in dictatorships, income gaps, and the idea that food should be a for-profit industry.

[BennyLaRue]

You wrote that like you're alone in feeling that way, but there are whole genres of music devoted to helping people wallow. It's totally normal.>

I forgot about emos. I wouldn't describe emo as empathetic sadness over other people's tragedy, though

I'm not talking about emos, dude.

I'm talkin bout the Blues.

[spoonitnow]

I don't feel guilty about profiting from other peoples suffering when I read stuff like when some college kid runs up thousands in credit card debt and steals or something to finance how badly he sucks at poker. But my lack of guilt makes me feel almost guilty sometimes, like I should care about these people. The reason I'm posting this is that I think I lash out by doing things like starting a graphs thread on the forums for Online Gamers Anonymous (link) and trying to get people to post.

I think it's funny as hell that people do this. I really enjoy seeing people buying lotto tickets at the gas station, especially when they drive some beat up piece of shit truck that's about to fall apart and they look like they haven't taken a shower in a couple of weeks. Maybe it's just a standard human trait to enjoy seeing other people fuck up.

People who can't help their situation because they were born into it are another matter, but some could argue that there are similarities.

[Luco]

http://www.lyrics007.com/System%20of...%20Lyrics.html

Gawd, he's right

[Renton]

precisely the song i was thinking of too, nice read

[Luco]

precisely the song i was thinking of too, nice read

Too easy, I'm a huge fan who knows all the lyrics (and a lot of the guitar work too). Except for hypnotise and mesmerise, which failed to do either to me.

[jjbish]

Your number of 1 BILLION people dying a day is wrong.

That would be 20% of the world's population dying every day.

Maybe 1 mill.

Depends what billion your using

UK billion=1,000,000,000
US billion=100,000,000
Earth Poulation = 6,707,000,000

What if we used Lower Alabama billion?
Lower Alabama=8. As in: "I have a billion beers left". The numbers wouldn't be so overwhelming .




wu.
You think too much sometimes. My mom always said to "think about what you want. Not what you don't want".

[Renton]

precisely the song i was thinking of too, nice read

Too easy, I'm a huge fan who knows all the lyrics (and a lot of the guitar work too). Except for hypnotise and mesmerise, which failed to do either to me.

whoa i like the double album a ton, better than toxicity at least, imo.

[wufwugy]

You wrote that like you're alone in feeling that way, but there are whole genres of music devoted to helping people wallow. It's totally normal.>

I forgot about emos. I wouldn't describe emo as empathetic sadness over other people's tragedy, though

I'm not talking about emos, dude.

I'm talkin bout the Blues.

As I was posting that I thought you may have been referring to some other genre.

I wouldn't consider the Blues to be related to the topic though. The music is very relaxing, and the lyrics are almost tongue in cheek. It's more along the lines of musical therapy than something that encourages sadness.

I mentioned emo because I really don't know anything about emo, but people say that they listen to their music and cut themselves, and if there's any truth to that, it's of a different ilk than the Blues.

[donkbee]

precisely the song i was thinking of too, nice read

Too easy, I'm a huge fan who knows all the lyrics (and a lot of the guitar work too). Except for hypnotise and mesmerise, which failed to do either to me.

whoa i like the double album a ton, better than toxicity at least, imo.

I love "Lost in Hollywood" so much. They have some great music.

[Ash256]

For example: I love watching depressing movies. Schindler's List is a great example. I don't know why, but feelings of empathetic despair sometimes makes me feel more alive. Kinda like how some people like watching scary films because they masochistically like the fear emotion, I sometimes masochistically like the sad emotion. Not that often, just sometimes

basically you're saying you're a woman

[wufwugy]

I cried when I found out my dad had prostate cancer. That also makes me a woman

[CoccoBill]

The US provides 60% of the world's food aid. I blame the US for all the starvation.

You're closer to the truth than you think. Check the figures for per capita aid:

http://ipezone.blogspot.com/2008/04/...d-in-2007.html

[a500lbgorilla]

I dont understand your point. A us economy inflated by greed, still managing to give more than anyone else should be giving more?

[wufwugy]

Aid is just a small part of the picture. Economies run on food production and sales, especially third world ones. This is what needs to stop. I understand that economies need to work, and if everybody gets free food then small economies collapse, but there're better ways to go about it than to starve people.

There are way more than enough billionaires in the first world to take a fraction of their money and subsidize a base level of consumption for the planet's poorest. While doing that, third world economies can then be focused on providing services that don't involve people starving.

Some things should simply not be for profit. Things like base levels of food, health care, housing, education, prisons, etc.

[spoonitnow]

Go here http://www.perverted-justice.com/?ar...in_jaime_wolfe and search for 2:06:31 PM. Read that line and the next two.

[spoonitnow]

Your number of 1 BILLION people dying a day is wrong.

That would be 20% of the world's population dying every day.

Maybe 1 mill.

http://www.stwr.org/food-security-ag...ncy-warns.html

[wufwugy]

If this doesn't fill you with rage, nothing can

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/ar...#ixzz0USz6DbQI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsmN3...layer_embedded

[Ash256]

^^ yeah I raged, shit is fucking terrible

[BankItDrew]

Losing her vision and disorientated, Katie staggered across Golders Green High Road, dodging in and out of cars to get help. ‘I remember my Ugg boots slipped off and I just left them in the middle of the road,’ she says.

[Warpe]

{crazy wide pic deleted from op. yw}

[spoonitnow]

Do we agree or disagree that because she has decent tits she'll have a better chance of fitting in than if she didn't?

[flomo]

can i get pedobear photoshopped in to the the first pic?

[flomo]

thank you.

[flomo]

[UG]

I'm going to hell

[Sir Pawnalot]

Sometimes I love our species so much

Shine the light my friends!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIw3BtSPHtI

[flomo]

I'm going to hell

meet me at the bar

[bigred]

My new fav quote: I know this will reserve me a spot in hell, but hey, at least i won't have to wait for a table right?

[wufwugy]

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/10/27/...ion/index.html

Investigators say as many as 20 people were involved in or stood and watched the gang rape of a 15-year-old girl outside a California high school homecoming dance Saturday night.

Police posted a $20,000 reward Tuesday for anyone who comes to them with information that helps arrest and convict those involved in what authorities describe as a 2½-hour assault on the Richmond High School campus in suburban San Francisco.

[Luco]

If this doesn't fill you with rage, nothing can

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/ar...#ixzz0USz6DbQI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsmN3...layer_embedded

{moved to 'Would hit?' thread}

[Luco]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/c...re/8329496.stm

[CoccoBill]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/cambridgeshire/8329496.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7555206.stm

[wufwugy]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/cambridgeshire/8329496.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7555206.stm

This is also pretty representative of the underlying problem behind global warming: overpopulation. We humans make the mistake of thinking that population has little or no bearing on what happens ecologically, but reality is that overpopulation is itself one of the best means by which to destroy said population. For example: if we replaced all fossil fuel burning with green sources overnight, we would still be emitting massive amounts of GHG simply due to population size and the natural consumption that population requires. Things like livestock and agriculture.

[ATOTHEC101]

If this doesn't fill you with rage, nothing can

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/ar...#ixzz0USz6DbQI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsmN3...layer_embedded

Hour long documentary currently being shown on channel 4 about this, replayed again on channel 4 +1 in 50 mins. I doubt alot of you can get this channel but thought I'd say it was on regardless.

[amir is cool]

What is so different from me and the Saudi Muslim who rapes his child wife because Allah's will be done?

this is an ignorant and uneducated stereotype, propagated by people afraid to learn what the hell they're talking about before opening their mouths and people who group extremists and normal people in the same category because "loltheyreislamic" or "lol i saw it on the news so it must be true"

[wufwugy]

What is so different from me and the Saudi Muslim who rapes his child wife because Allah's will be done?

this is an ignorant and uneducated stereotype, propagated by people afraid to learn what the hell they're talking about before opening their mouths and people who group extremists and normal people in the same category because "loltheyreislamic" or "lol i saw it on the news so it must be true"

You put words in my mouth, and missed the intent

I was not regurgitating bigotry. If you read my posts you would know this. Child brides have been common practice throughout some areas of recorded history, and one of the places that currently engages in such is the theocratic Saudi Arabia

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worl...di-cleric.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/0..._n_228883.html

http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/s...-saudi-society

But I'm sorry, since they're news articles, they can't have legitimate information

[CoccoBill]

What is so different from me and the Saudi Muslim who rapes his child wife because Allah's will be done?

this is an ignorant and uneducated stereotype, propagated by people afraid to learn what the hell they're talking about before opening their mouths and people who group extremists and normal people in the same category because "loltheyreislamic" or "lol i saw it on the news so it must be true"

Not all Germans in the 40s were nazis, does that make condemning their atrocities an "uneducated stereotype"?

[a500lbgorilla]

What is so different from me and the Saudi Muslim who rapes his child wife because Allah's will be done?

this is an ignorant and uneducated stereotype, propagated by people afraid to learn what the hell they're talking about before opening their mouths and people who group extremists and normal people in the same category because "loltheyreislamic" or "lol i saw it on the news so it must be true"

Not all Germans in the 40s were nazis, does that make condemning their atrocities an "uneducated stereotype"?

95% of the time people are condemning their atrocities in an uneducated and self-serving manner. People think Obama is Hitler, after all.

So yah, most of the time I hear people condemning their atrocities, It's close enough to an "uneducated stereotype."

[CoccoBill]

95% of the time people are condemning their atrocities in an uneducated and self-serving manner. People think Obama is Hitler, after all.

So yah, most of the time I hear people condemning their atrocities, It's close enough to an "uneducated stereotype."

Please elaborate, what would be an educated way to condemn them?

[a500lbgorilla]

Outside of the political arena.

edit. Not trying to make any great point here. Comparisons to the Nazi's are thrown around a lot, diluting it's affect on me.

[wufwugy]

Outside of the political arena.

edit. Not trying to make any great point here. Comparisons to the Nazi's are thrown around a lot, diluting it's affect on me.

That's exactly what Heinrich Himmler would say

[a500lbgorilla]

I wish my name was Heinrich.

[CoccoBill]

Ok then I agree, the holocaust doesn't in any shape or form justify what's happening to Palestinians. Then again what's happening to Palestinians shouldn't in any way make the holocaust less atrocious. We as humans just seem to really like the eye-for-an-eye "justice".

[Galapogos]

I wish my name was Heinrich.

I wish your name was Heinrich too.