50NL Facing 5Bet PF

Villain just sat down, bought in for 50bbs. We have no history. How often is this not AA/KK? Villain's bet sizing is horrid, but it's almost like he wants a call... but at 50bbs, would you just shove and say FTW?!

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

CO ($47.35)
Button ($101.30)
SB ($9.50)
BB ($25)
UTG ($50.40)
UTG+1 ($52)
Hero (MP1) ($50)
MP2 ($50)
MP3 ($27.85)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Q, Q
2 folds, Hero bets $2, 5 folds, BB raises to $4, Hero raises to $10, BB raises to $16, 1 fold

Total pot: $20.25 | Rake: $0

[Micro2Macro]

fuck it I shove because that would be my plan when I 4bet

That's what I was going to do but getting 5bet without the nuts just makes me want to crawl back into my hole.

[badgers]

did you actually fold? wow...

[Donkafelts]

This coming from a micros stakes player, but i think this is simple enough for my small mind.

Lets talk about this shove. If we shove we are risking $15 to win $35.25 - rake from total pot ( assuming he gets it in with us) If we shove and he folds we take $26.25 - rake.

First lets assume his range is bluffs and AK, QQ+.
Then our equity when we get it in is:

Hand 0: 59.793% { QQ+, AKs, AKo }
Hand 1: 40.207% { QQ }


In some ridiculous fantasy land where villian is never doing this with anything except above our equity is:

(.4)(35.25) = $14.1 - $15 = a $.90 loss on the play so we have:

(Needed Bluffing %)($26.25) = $.90 hence needed Bluffing % = 3.43%
So yeah why couldnt you have done this and not posted?

[Outlaw]

4-bet shove since you have to continue to a 5-bet anyways. Folding here is never an option.

[TonyB73]

4-bet shove since you have to continue to a 5-bet anyways. Folding here is never an option.

That would be shoving $48 into a $6.25 pot. Thats one hell of an overbet.

I think folding could be an option here, although its extremely villain dependent. The pot is $32 or so and we have $38 behind, so if we think villain's range is tight enough (QQ+) and we have no fold equity on a shove, then we should fold.

[acoss3006]

If your not keen to get it in, call the $6 and reevaluate on the flop.

[Micro2Macro]

If your not keen to get it in, call the $6 and reevaluate on the flop.

this

and ffs he clicked it back, and his sizing on the 3bet is terrible he probably has like AJ

[BankItDrew]

4 bet fold JJ, AQ or sometimes AK.

Not so much QQ.

[Donkafelts]

We have 38 behind, but villian has 9 behind. What am i missing here????? Calling seems pretty trivial as its getting in almost any flop.

4-bet shove since you have to continue to a 5-bet anyways. Folding here is never an option.

I think folding could be an option here, although its extremely villain dependent. The pot is $32 or so and we have $38 behind, so if we think villain's range is tight enough (QQ+) and we have no fold equity on a shove, then we should fold.

[Pelion]

4-bet shove since you have to continue to a 5-bet anyways.

No. If we have to continue to a 5bet its because continuing to a 5bet is +EV. If continuing to a 5bet is -EV then we dont have to continue to a 5bet, in which case 4betting and folding is usually going to be better than shoving anyway.

[Outlaw]

4-bet shove since you have to continue to a 5-bet anyways. Folding here is never an option.

That would be shoving $48 into a $6.25 pot. Thats one hell of an overbet.

I think folding could be an option here, although its extremely villain dependent. The pot is $32 or so and we have $38 behind, so if we think villain's range is tight enough (QQ+) and we have no fold equity on a shove, then we should fold.

We are shoving $21 in.

If AK is in his range he has to fold 20% of the time to make a 4-bet shove profitable. Add JJ to his range and its profitable no matter if he calls or folds.

[Deanglow]

Don't fold QQ against halfstacks, period.

[grindinginnj]

what dean said

Thanks guys. Getting 3-bet for the minimum when I'm holding QQ just feels like an auto 4bet. Against an unknown half-stack, perhaps a call is correct since we have position? I did feel a fold was correct here because getting 4bet at this level means the goods (for the most part). Fuck I don't know, I suck.

[eragotte]

ez shove

[TonyB73]

4-bet shove since you have to continue to a 5-bet anyways. Folding here is never an option.

That would be shoving $48 into a $6.25 pot. Thats one hell of an overbet.

I think folding could be an option here, although its extremely villain dependent. The pot is $32 or so and we have $38 behind, so if we think villain's range is tight enough (QQ+) and we have no fold equity on a shove, then we should fold.

We are shoving $21 in.

Thats right (sorry, misread villain's stack size). Still a big overbet though.

As played I'd be getting it in, btw.