100NL: JJ vs presumed donk

[d0zer]

Villain is like 50/20 over 30 and appears passive postflop.

Straightforward flop/turn value? Wish I'd sized flop bigger.

$0.50/$1 No Limit Holdem
6 Players
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Stacks:
UTG resetdave ($104)
UTG+1 cestlarue ($111.20)
CO AlexPles ($23)
BTN Pokerklemi ($102.65)
SB kurtisblow81 ($235.70)
BB Hero ($100)

Pre-Flop: ($1.50, 6 players) Hero is BB
resetdave raises to $3, 3 folds, kurtisblow81 calls $2.50, Hero raises to $13, resetdave folds, kurtisblow81 calls $10

Flop: ($29, 2 players)
kurtisblow81 checks, Hero bets $18, kurtisblow81 calls $18

Turn: ($65, 2 players)
kurtisblow81 checks, Hero ($69)?

[daven]

meh, i probably check flop behind. Check turn as played cos even the blind donks can see that there's a king on the board. I can't think of a better hand that's folding the turn, nor a worse hand that's calling (meh, straight draws i guess - but not too many of those)

[griffey24]

I'm betting flop and turn again vs a 50/20 whale. Check behind river.

[pocketfours]

I'm betting all three.

[pocketfours]

If he has a king then it's just a sick cooler.

[kmind]

Ha. And I am in the bet flop/check turn/bet most rivers camp

[pocketfours]

Ha. And I am in the bet flop/check turn/bet most rivers camp

It's not optimal. Turn bet gets value from draws and worse made hands. River bet only gets value from worse made hands and lets him draw for free.

[griffey24]

It's not optimal. Turn bet gets value from draws and worse made hands. River bet only gets value from worse made hands and lets him draw for free.

agree with P4's. A whale definitely isn't the type you want to bet/check/bet against, when most of his range is bs air/draws that won't call a river bet but would call a turn bet.

[kmind]

It's not optimal. Turn bet gets value from draws and worse made hands. River bet only gets value from worse made hands and lets him draw for free.

Yeah def. didn't see his stats I thought this was vs. a reg. who was in another thread. I will agree with you guys for sure. Just want to say thanks for taking the time too to explain.

[daven]

obviously my fullring nittery has no place here
eye-opening - vs a 50-20 in FR this always feels like check/bet flop - bet/check turn - bet river territory.

[pocketfours]

Yeah def. didn't see his stats I thought this was vs. a reg. who was in another thread. I will agree with you guys for sure. Just want to say thanks for taking the time too to explain.

I'd bet flop and turn vs reg as well.

[pocketfours]

FML

Hero (SB) ($206.40)
BB ($553.05)
UTG ($253.40)
MP ($375.85)
CO ($77)
Button ($126.85)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q, Q
3 folds, Button bets $6, Hero raises to $22, 1 fold, Button calls $16

Flop: ($46) J, K, 3 (2 players)
Hero bets $8, Button calls $8

Turn: ($62) 4 (2 players)
Hero bets $18, Button calls $18

River: ($98) 5 (2 players)
Hero bets $158.40 (All-In), Button calls $78.85 (All-In)

Total pot: $255.70 | Rake: $3

Results:
Button had K, 8 (one pair, Kings).
Hero had Q, Q (one pair, Queens).
Outcome: Button won $252.70

[griffey24]

P4's - in your hand. How do you feel about 30 flop, jam turn? Looks a lot more like a turn semi-bluff then. I don't mind this either though. Your QQ blocks his KQs and KJ might have raised earlier, and he rarely has AK.

[tstrout]

Personally, I don't like 3-betting jacks out of the blinds. I prefer to conceal the strength of my hand and not put my opponent on the defensive before the flop. Then when you hit a set (or an overpair) he is not looking for it. With the King on the flop, I prefer going for a check-raise to leading out, or even a check fold. Just because you repped something with your 3-bet doesn't mean you need to go broke with it. Too many people do this all the time. After a king flop, you need to play for a small pot with your jacks, not a big one.

[pocketfours]

P4's - in your hand. How do you feel about 30 flop, jam turn? Looks a lot more like a turn semi-bluff then. I don't mind this either though. Your QQ blocks his KQs and KJ might have raised earlier, and he rarely has AK.

I think a fish will see a bit more strength in that line. This opponent had 45% steal with fold to 3bet 0% on a small but significant sample so good luck putting him on a hand.