25nl- brl agaisnt fish w/o any equity?

[unclesteve]

Fish is 53/12 or sth stupid liek that.

BTN is a tight reg who likes folding to 3bets.



Cereus Network - $0.25 NL - Holdem - 3 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BB: $11.24
BTN: $57.84
Hero (SB): $82.70

Hero posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero has K 5

BTN raises to $0.75, Hero raises to $2.25, BB calls $2.00, fold

Flop: ($5.25, 2 players) 4 8 J
Hero bets $2.62,

1)Given that he never folds a gutshot, or any pair, and I have no equity, should this be a c/f?

2)Is betting one here burning money?

3)Do we not care about turning equity coz we're playing the fish and he won't notice that we're barrelling off our entire range?

4)What runouts do we triple brl?

[couriermike]

Fold preflop, but as played I'd probably c-bet like $3 and give up if called. Barreling is spew.

[unclesteve]

I suddenly realised that bluffing the reg with the fish left to act is pretty stupid.

Aside from that, what hands do you put in his range taht won't fold that make barreling spew?

[Carroters]

3 bet is pretty terrible since the fish will flat a zillion better hands many of which dominate you. There's way better hands to 3 bet bluff this reg with anyways, 3-bet K5s, fold this, you can't get away 3 betting 40% so pick hands that flop better and fold complete junk like this shit. This will make your 3 betting strategy more +EV vs this guy.

[spoonitnow]

Pre-flop is so bad it needs to be said again. Damn pre-flop is bad.

Why is K5o in your 3-betting range here?

[Carroters]

Preflop is really bad btw OP.

[Carroters]

Lol I just noticed stack sizes aswell. It's even worse than I first thought. Not only will he flat a ton of better hands he'll also shove very frequently.

[unclesteve]

lol- yeah, fair enough, pre is bad, but only coz BB is a fish, shortstacking

K5o is in my 3bet range coz it has a blocker and I expect the BTN to fold really often.

I have been thinking about this lately though, if i'm 3betting all kinds of Ax and Kx pre, I have to start 3betting hands wider for value, coz atm i'm really unbalanced... what do you guys use in your 3b bluffing range?

[Johnny Cashout]

pick better pre spots to isolate the fish, not steal/bluff the reg.
take into account his shallow stack as he'll probably shove easily

[Carroters]

what do you guys use in your 3b bluffing range?

Hands that flop something other than utter shit or reverse implied odds pairs when we're oop and 200bb deep.

97s is a way better 3-bet here for instance in this sort of spot.

[unclesteve]

yeha, this was a pretty big mistake pre given how deep we are.

but generally speaking, i think 3betting Ax and Kx hands is good coz dudes at 25nl fold to far too many 3bets, and it's really ezy to adjust when sum1 widens their defending range, which doesn't happen often anyway.

[unclesteve]

also I don't think our hand has reverse implied odds, when we flop tp we're not gonna think ZOMG WE HAZ A PAIR- B/B/B/B/B/B/B/B/B/B, coz we know we're dominated often, our hand was only a bluff to begin with.

[Micro2Macro]

pick better hands to 3bet. If you're going to 3bet K5 at least wait till its suited. There is just absolutely no reason to put any money in the pot OOP with K5o in a cash game with these stacks barring some very unusual situation where the BB folds 100% of hands and the button folds 99% to 3bets without ever adjusting or something like that.

also I don't think our hand has reverse implied odds, when we flop tp we're not gonna think ZOMG WE HAZ A PAIR- B/B/B/B/B/B/B/B/B/B, coz we know we're dominated often, our hand was only a bluff to begin with.

if you don't think our hand has reverse implied odds you're only fooling yourself into thinking 3betting here is in fact fine.

with the fishes stack size there is no way you will get away from top pair postflop being OOP and now you are in a situation where you are prepared to potentially spew off 40bb's on a bluff. I'll say it one more time, fold preflop.

[unclesteve]

pick better hands to 3bet. If you're going to 3bet K5 at least wait till its suited. There is just absolutely no reason to put any money in the pot OOP with K5o in a cash game with these stacks barring some very unusual situation where the BB folds 100% of hands and the button folds 99% to 3bets without ever adjusting or something like that..

yeah, agree, in this particular scenario 3betting is crap for all kinds of reasons.

But lets say hypothetically a 22/20 reg opens the BTN, he steals 37% and his F3B stat is 75%. the BB is another reg, 20/17, who we know won't overcall without a very strong hand. everyone has 100bb effective stacks

What range of hands do you 3b with?

[unclesteve]

pick better hands to 3bet. If you're going to 3bet K5 at least wait till its suited. There is just absolutely no reason to put any money in the pot OOP with K5o in a cash game with these stacks barring some very unusual situation where the BB folds 100% of hands and the button folds 99% to 3bets without ever adjusting or something like that..

yeah, agree, in this particular scenario 3betting is crap for all kinds of reasons.

But lets say hypothetically a 22/20 reg opens the BTN, he steals 37% and his F3B stat is 75%. the BB is another reg, 20/17, who we know won't overcall without a very strong hand. everyone has 100bb effective stacks

What range of hands do you 3b with?

[unclesteve]

[QUOTE=Micro2Macro;1999738]pick better hands to 3bet. If you're going to 3bet K5 at least wait till its suited. There is just absolutely no reason to put any money in the pot OOP with K5o in a cash game with these stacks barring some very unusual situation where the BB folds 100% of hands and the button folds 99% to 3bets without ever adjusting or something like that.[QUOTE]

yeah, agree, in this particular scenario 3betting is crap for all kinds of reasons.

But lets say hypothetically a 22/20 reg opens the BTN, he steals 37% and his F3B stat is 75%. the BB is another reg, 20/17, who we know won't overcall without a very strong hand. everyone has 100bb effective stacks

What range of hands do you 3b with?

[unclesteve]

oops- triple postament, my bad

[!Luck]

You realize that A8s-A2s,K8s-K2s,A8o-A2o,K8o-K2o is 17% of hands. Even regs adjust. Plus your value is like 3% so your 3 betting 20% or something like that. And you fold like 90% to 4 bet.